Nicholas Lewis
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450's to to Chessington?
shows they have had far too many 450's for the out suburban work so about time they sweated the assets this operator is taking more tax payers support than any other one.
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shows they have had far too many 450's for the out suburban work so about time they sweated the assets this operator is taking more tax payers support than any other one.
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No noticeable difference, in fact 8 450 has a slightly shorter change end time than 8 455. Main issue is the 450s door cycle time, officially needs an extra 15" dwell but in practice, with the current timetable not really an issue, just might not recover minor deals quite as well
As for 701s, no official times, but should definitely be able to match 455 times, be a bit less than ideal if it turned out they couldn't
Goldfish62
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They're high performance units. They should easily match if not beat the 707s and leave the 455s standing.
Southern Dvr
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The conversation was about cab preparation times. On SN 455s have a 4 minute cab preparation time compared to a 377 at 2 minutes.
Performance wise the 701/707 would be pointless if they couldn’t match a 455!
Gather the working ran on 22/04/2022 so clearly was fake news.
Turns out it wasn’t fake news at all, and they were removed from the sectional appendix (SA), an extension of compatibility had to be issued which should appear in the WONs (Weekly operating notices) and PONs (Periodic operating notices) before making it into the SA
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Bureaucracy (as in they should have been gone by now, had the replacements been anywhere near on time, and someone forgot to extend the paperwork) or more than that (as in: has anything physically changed) though?
Not knocking necessary paperwork but having worked for Government for years l know that the tail can end up wagging the dog....
WarrenTManager
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It would have been fine if the usual points at Branksome from P2 into the depot were ok. Because they had to go via Poole which didn't have the paperwork to enter from P1 that was the admin issue.
Goldfish62
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Ah -apologies.
The rolling stock requirements are still nowhere what they were pre-Covid. For starters Reading line services require around 14 fewer units daily on Mon-Fri.
Could you post a link to the source showing taxpayer support by TOC? Hopefully it's quoted per scheduled km to give an accurate comparison.
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Nicholas Lewis
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You can find info here its total payment and has been updated for a few more periods since I last looked at it and actually shows a good improvement although data is nearly six months out of date.Ah -apologies.
The rolling stock requirements are still nowhere what they were pre-Covid. For starters Reading line services require around 14 fewer units daily on Mon-Fri.
Could you post a link to the source showing taxpayer support by TOC? Hopefully it's quoted per scheduled km to give an accurate comparison.
I'm curious. What takes longer on a 455?
Southern Dvr
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Rolling the destination displays round.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Southern 455s don't use them. They have scrolling displays.
Southern Dvr
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Yes. I’m oddly familiar with that.
However the T&Cs never got changed.
TT-ONR-NRN
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I wouldn't be expected to know if you drive them or not
Southern Dvr
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Not for much longer I don’t!I wouldn't be expected to know if you drive them or not
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458502 is back in service today (2C18) after an absence of two months.
miklcct
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Are the Waterloo - Woking and Waterloo - Guildford suburban routes staying with fully 455s in the foreseeable future?
No. They see a number of 450s from the May timetable.
It would make sense but will require some shuffling of the diagrams. On Weekdays an 8-car which has been working Suburban services then attaches to a 4-car in Woking East End Sidings and works to Alton the next morning for example.
Juniper Driver
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TBH I was surprised at the demise of the 456's.
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455905 has returned to service this evening (2H93)
Now out of use for over a month is
455701 (03/04)
galwhv69
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Unit shortages back again? Noticed some short formations (5 carriages) yesterday and today on the Putney line
WarrenTManager
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No. There are booked 5 cars previously discussed on one of the SWR threads. Long time since there was a deficit of 458s available to required amount.
Thanks!
galwhv69
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5 cars are booked on busy services during the AM peak heading into London? Booked or not, it is not suitable