Technical specification of train

[inzamam001]

Where can I find technical details of trains like voyagers? I need to know about the things like wheelbase length, the mass of bogie and wheelset, stiffness of springs, the neutral diameter of the wheel and some other things.
Thanks

 

[ComUtoR]

Where can I find technical details of trains like voyagers? I need to know about the things like wheelbase length, the mass of bogie and wheelset, stiffness of springs, the neutral diameter of the wheel and some other things.
Thanks

Do you NEED to know or WANT to know ?

If you need the information for a specific reason, such as an industry project. You should be given them if you need access. If you are in a position where its required then you could ask the ROSCO for the information and inform them they are required for you role.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_220 is a good place to start as links to technical information is usually provided.

Cl.220 - We lease passenger and freight rolling stock across Europe

beaconrail.com

From Google (train sim traction manual) (link opens a PDF)

BR-WR Traction & Rolling Stock Training Manuals| Silver Moor

British Railways Western Region traction and rolling stock training manuals

www.silvermoorconsulting.co.uk

 

[inzamam001]

Do you NEED to know or WANT to know ?

If you need the information for a specific reason, such as an industry project. You should be given them if you need access. If you are in a position where its required then you could ask the ROSCO for the information and inform them they are required for you role.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_220 is a good place to start as links to technical information is usually provided.

Cl.220 - We lease passenger and freight rolling stock across Europe

beaconrail.com

From Google (train sim traction manual) (link opens a PDF)

BR-WR Traction & Rolling Stock Training Manuals| Silver Moor

British Railways Western Region traction and rolling stock training manuals

www.silvermoorconsulting.co.uk

Thanks for your reply.

I don't need to know. I want to know the info for my uni assignment. It would have made my life easier.
I will check out the wiki page.

Thanks

 

[ComUtoR]

Its not a Voyager but I assume you want technical documents like this ? I'm not sure they are publicly available but I'd try the ROSCO and see if they could help.

 

[zwk500]

Thanks for your reply.

I don't need to know. I want to know the info for my uni assignment. It would have made my life easier.
I will check out the wiki page.

Thanks

If it's for educational purposes there's no harm in sending Alstom (who have acquired Bombardier) or the relevant ROSCO a message or email and asking. The worst they'll give is a polite refusal.

Beacon rail are the current owners of the fleet: https://beaconrail.com/en/fleet-item/cl-221/

 

[inzamam001]

Thanks, both, for your reply. I will surely try to contact ROSCO for the details.

If I get to know what are the actual values of the bogie dimensions, then it will be easier for me to do my assignment because right I have no idea how to calculate the wheelbase of a bogie and by changing the dimensions of the wheelbase, how it affects mass of the bogie.

Thanks again

 

[millemille]

Your university, or specifically your relevant tutor/professor, should make the initial approach to either Alstom - as the vehicle design authority - or Beacon - as the vehicle owners - as if they've let you choose a project/dissertation etc. that requires this information then they should take responsibility for establishing your bona fides and making the introduction for you and addressing matters like Non Disclosure Agreements (NDA's).

We, as a train equipment manufacturer, assist students from several universities with access to our equipment, test rigs, data and the like but only if they come to us through the university or their professor and we are sure the learnt knowledge is not to be used for commercial gain or compromises our market position.

 

[ComUtoR]

When you say 'Bogie' Do you mean the bogie frame or the entirety of the bogie ? From the document I have, no weight is listed but each additional component will add weight, as well as the construction material.

Bogie Frame


Of a full bogie ?



The lower image has various parts attached so an overal weight will be determined by what has been mounted, also, the images are from a motor bogie, not a trailer. Im not a engineer or tech person and I'm sure you have considered all this already.



I have no idea what bogies a Voyager uses but I found a Siemens datasheet via google because I knew the Bogie number. Maybe that could also be helpful in some way.

https://assets.new.siemens.com/siem....pdf?msclkid=3a3e0944cecf11ec8c05f891c1743bf1 (link is to a Siemens technical document)

 

[inzamam001]

I can't believe how these forums can be so helpful.

Thank you so much all.

In my assignment, there is input and output data for a train, and then I am using MATLAB to simulate the train movement. Input data includes the wheelbase of the bogie, the mass of the bogie and wheelset, the neutral diameter of the wheel, spring constants etc. and the output data includes longitudinal coordinate, transverse coordinate, wheelset angular velocity, etc.
Basically, there is no right or wrong answer, and I just have to justify whatever data I am using. So I thought, why not just use the official data for any particular bogie and then in justification, I can write this is a real-world example.

 

[ComUtoR]

The Siemens data sheet has the bogie data with two bogies (motor/trailer)

Spring data I can't find my document has a breakdown of components but then refers to some 'EN' standard documents which is where I assume more technical data is held. I wouldn't have a clue where to look for those.