TFL Map

[badassunicorn]

Okay, so heres one thing thats been bugging me for a while now about TFL. Their "underground" maps contain the LU and LOROL service right, which makes it no longer an underground map but a TFL map, but what annoys me is if you are going to show National Rail LOROL routes on there, why not show others where it would be far easier to use NR then LU. An example is say, travelling from Blackfriars to Farringdon or St Pancras. A tourist looking at the LU map will think they have to travel on the Circle Line via Liv St which would take ages, when in fact they could hop on an FCC northbound service and be there in minutes! I'm sure there are many other examples of this around and about, I just wonder why they would do that?
I get that you want to keep the LU map for underground services, then why include LOROL and tramlink on it as well? Do TFL get the money for punters using the LU but not FCC services?

 

[Nym]

It did of course used to show Thameslink services and Silverlink metro services on the old TfL Tube maps as "National Rail Connections"

 

[elagueesti]

I posted something similar in another thread a while ago. I gave directions to someone at Moorgate (IIRC) who wanted to go to Walthamstow - they thought the quickest way was via Kings Cross to get the Vic line and had no idea they could simply get a GA train from Liverpool St and be there in half the time. Seems bonkers not to include NR lines on tube maps, especially the on train ones. Most NR trains have a TFL map up near the doors somewhere after all.

 

[telstarbox]

Where would it end though? Would you show the SWT line from Waterloo to Wimbledon and Richmond, or Southeastern from Charing Cross to Lewisham and New Cross? It would get too crowded for a pocket or diary size map.
There is already the "London Connections" map which includes National Rail and Tramlink - this is displayed at Tube stations; and the TfL journey planner will suggest rail-only journeys when appropriate.

 

[Michael.Y]

It's shown DLR since the 80s, Tramlink since that opened and, as said before, showed W&C, Thameslink and North London lines when they were BR and just after. It's always been a LT / TFL map and does the job for TFL-organised services. Why would it show services operated by other operators?

 

[tbtc]

Where would it end though? Would you show the SWT line from Waterloo to Wimbledon and Richmond, or Southeastern from Charing Cross to Lewisham and New Cross? It would get too crowded for a pocket or diary size map.
There is already the "London Connections" map which includes National Rail and Tramlink - this is displayed at Tube stations; and the TfL journey planner will suggest rail-only journeys when appropriate.

Fair point - there will be some journeys where a direct bus service is the fastest way between two stations - should these be shown too?

 

[dvboy]

I always use this map:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/london-rail-and-tube-services-map.pdf

 

[benk1342]

I always use this map:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/london-rail-and-tube-services-map.pdf

If you ask for a "Tube Map" at FCC stations outside London, the London Rail & Tube Services map is what they give you. Doesn't help tourists who aren't staying in the 'burbs though.

 

[Mikey C]

It's difficult to know where to draw the line when it comes to the Tube map. Orbital Overground lines make sense, as people use them as a Tube style service, travelling around London as opposed to the classic commuter style route where people travel from Outer London into Central London.

On that basis, the lines to Watford, West Croydon and Crystal Palace should be left off, but it would make the map look a bit incomplete from a TfL point of view so I can understand why they are included.

I presume Thameslink will come back once the upgrade work has finished. Leaving off Moorgate to Finsbury park seems a bit odd too, but then that route doesn't run at weekends.

 

[badassunicorn]

But then why werent the Southern operated services From London Bridge to Victoria included? Elitist TFL is what I call it haha =P

 

[Manchester77]

In my opinion I think the map should have tube, overground, DLR, Tramlink and then Crossrail but only the core section. The show it continues do what they used to do on 1920s LU maps with a bubble which say trains continue to X, Y, Z, A, B and C

 

[TheJRB]

The reason why the "Tube map" includes what it does is that all lines that appear are TfL services (LU, LO, DLR and Emirates Air Line). Everything on the map is TfL 'run' in some way or other hence why FCC, Southern and all other services haven't and will not appear (although the absence of Tramlink has always confused me).

If you want a map with everything, your best bet will always be the "London's Rail & Tube services" map that dvboy has already mentioned.