TfW 15x/17x withdrawals (17x now finished)

[sd0733]

Whats the plan with the 175s at the moment? Are they expected to be gone by the end of October?

101, 102, 109, 110, 112-115 seem to be the ones in service still sat the moment. Although it sounds like 102 is going to Landore if not gone already.

As far as I know the plan is to have no booked diagrams by the end of October but with a few 'standby' sets to cover as and when.

Training is pretty much ceased on them now too as most new starters coming through now won't ever see them.

They're really on borrowed time now, tomorrow there's only 4 Sunday diagrams, 1 an all day Cheltenham, one does an evening Cheltenham, one on a Chester-Crewe-Holyhead (but already covered by a 150!) And one which just does an evening Cardiff-Carmarthen to get it in place for Monday. No booked ones to Manchester or on the Marches at all, quite possibly for the first time.

Added to make it clearer, these are just Sunday diagrams, the weekday ones Will be different.

 

[Anonymous10]

As far as I know the plan is to have no booked diagrams by the end of October but with a few 'standby' sets to cover as and when.

Training is pretty much ceased on them now too as most new starters coming through now won't ever see them.

They're really on borrowed time now, tomorrow there's only 4 diagrams, 1 an all day Cheltenham, one does an evening Cheltenham, one on a Chester-Crewe-Holyhead (but already covered by a 150!) And one which just does an evening Cardiff-Carmarthen to get it in place for Monday. No booked ones to Manchester or on the Marches at all, quite possibly for the first time.

Disappointing in a way they aren't being used between pembrokeshire and cardiff/Manchester it's a long journey on a 150 or 153. Down West we keep hearing improvements are coming and sure those of us here know it but it sure don't feel that way when your on a 150 or 153 packed to the rafters doing that journey. But I digress.

Will there be a farewell tour for the 175?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Until 197s come beyond Swansea, West Wales exclusively Sprinters then - aside from the daily evening Carmarthen service.

 

[sd0733]

Until 197s come beyond Swansea, West Wales exclusively Sprinters then - aside from the daily evening Carmarthen service.

Apologies, That's just Sunday diagrams, Weekday will be different and not sure what they are yet. I've amended the original post to make it a bit clearer!

Will there be a farewell tour for the 175?

I've not even heard any rumours or mumbling or anything about a farwell at all.
I've a feeling they'll just silently slip away from the Welsh routes with nothing.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Before anyone asks, no 1W59 1343 Swansea to Manchester Piccadilly is NOT really going to be formed of 175115+197046, as common sense will tell you Most likely a data error when allocating and facilitating for a set swap - looking like 175115 to Cardiff and 197046 onwards from there.

 

[Anonymous10]

Until 197s come beyond Swansea, West Wales exclusively Sprinters then - aside from the daily evening Carmarthen service.

I'm aware which is what saddens me.

Apologies, That's just Sunday diagrams, Weekday will be different and not sure what they are yet. I've amended the original post to make it a bit clearer!


I've not even heard any rumours or mumbling or anything about a farwell at all.
I've a feeling they'll just silently slip away from the Welsh routes with nothing.

That's quite sad for what was the workhorse of the welsh long distance network.

 

[Jez]

As far as I know the plan is to have no booked diagrams by the end of October but with a few 'standby' sets to cover as and when.

Training is pretty much ceased on them now too as most new starters coming through now won't ever see them.

They're really on borrowed time now, tomorrow there's only 4 Sunday diagrams, 1 an all day Cheltenham, one does an evening Cheltenham, one on a Chester-Crewe-Holyhead (but already covered by a 150!) And one which just does an evening Cardiff-Carmarthen to get it in place for Monday. No booked ones to Manchester or on the Marches at all, quite possibly for the first time.

Added to make it clearer, these are just Sunday diagrams, the weekday ones Will be different.

Thanks for the update. Yes they certainly on borrowed time now and are getting less and less especially on the mainline.

Before anyone asks, no 1W59 1343 Swansea to Manchester Piccadilly is NOT really going to be formed of 175115+197046, as common sense will tell you Most likely a data error when allocating and facilitating for a set swap - looking like 175115 to Cardiff and 197046 onwards from there.

Indeed. Like when it used to say on RTT that a 175 was coupled up with a 153 (or any other Sprinter)

Disappointing in a way they aren't being used between pembrokeshire and cardiff/Manchester it's a long journey on a 150 or 153. Down West we keep hearing improvements are coming and sure those of us here know it but it sure don't feel that way when your on a 150 or 153 packed to the rafters doing that journey. But I digress.

I felt exactly the same when we werent getting them to Swansea. It felt like it was an endless wait. But now they have been cleared there are quite a few of them, on paper at least! Still quite a few are subbed for Sprinters or the odd 175.

It will feel the same for Carmarthen/West Wales passengers im sure having such a long wait but once it happens there will be loads of them down there im sure! Hopefully not long now.

 

[Western 52]

I see 175113 is doing a Carmarthen to Swansea ECS today as 3Z70 then 3Z71 return. I wonder why?

Realtime Trains | 3Z70 1220 Carmarthen to Swansea | 01/10/2023

Real-time train running information for 3Z70 1220 departure from Carmarthen to Swansea on 01/10/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Edit - appears to be 150257 now.

 

[sd0733]

175102 is now back.in Chester having run back ecs from Canton paired with 175110 so it obviously never did make Landore!

 

[Sion John]

I see 175113 is doing a Carmarthen to Swansea ECS today as 3Z70 then 3Z71 return. I wonder why?

Realtime Trains | 3Z70 1220 Carmarthen to Swansea | 01/10/2023

Real-time train running information for 3Z70 1220 departure from Carmarthen to Swansea on 01/10/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Edit - appears to be 150257 now.

It was driver training i know because i seen the teacher who also drives trains but he teaches aswell. 175113 must have failed because 101 took it from carmarthen 1B97 so 150257 had to be detached in carmarthen on Newport to milford haven service. Hopefully i made sense for you

 

[Techniquest]

Anyone know what the pair of 175s heading north around 2004 last night (01/10/2023) through Shrewsbury were doing? I thought it was a 175/0 and 175/1, but I was tired and may have been seeing things. If I'd realised it was coming, I'd have got a photo!

 

[darylyates17]

Are any 175s still diagramed to be on the NWCL? if not it looks like ive already had my final ride on one.

 

[Class15]

Are any 175s still diagramed to be on the NWCL? if not it looks like ive already had my final ride on one.

I saw one at Llandudno a few weeks ago standing in for a 197!

 

[sd0733]

Anyone know what the pair of 175s heading north around 2004 last night (01/10/2023) through Shrewsbury were doing? I thought it was a 175/0 and 175/1, but I was tired and may have been seeing things. If I'd realised it was coming, I'd have got a photo!

See the post above . Those two!

 

[Techniquest]

See the post above . Those two!

Thanks, I sort-of read that but not properly. The perils of rushing a post while food finished cooking!

 

[sd0733]

Are any 175s still diagramed to be on the NWCL? if not it looks like ive already had my final ride on one.

Not normally no. Occasionally there's a short term Diagram but they're few and far between now out of Chester other than an early turn to Crewe.

Thanks, I sort-of read that but not properly. The perils of rushing a post while food finished cooking!

No worries .

There's a 5Z13 running now from Canton to Chester, https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:99613/2023-10-02/detailed that's 175113 heading north.

 

[Techniquest]

Sounds like Canton's emptying itself of 175s then, intriguing.

I rather enjoyed my journey up from Hereford to Crewe yesterday on 175114, that could easily be the last lengthy journey I do on a 175 in this area. I am booked to Manchester and back on Friday though, so it's possible I'll get one then.

Fair to say it was nicer than 153353+150269 that I had later on!

 

[Jez]

Sounds like Canton's emptying itself of 175s then, intriguing.

I rather enjoyed my journey up from Hereford to Crewe yesterday on 175114, that could easily be the last lengthy journey I do on a 175 in this area. I am booked to Manchester and back on Friday though, so it's possible I'll get one then.

Fair to say it was nicer than 153353+150269 that I had later on!

I may well have had my last 175 journey too, which was on 9th September from Cardiff to Port Talbot. To be fair it was a good one to finish with, not overcrowded and the air con on a hot day was very welcome. Although living in the South ive a chance of riding one still. I spotted 175109 whilst at Swansea station earlier doing 1457 to Milford Haven although unsure if this was actually booked.

How many 175s diagrams do we now have, on paper at least? Is it down to 5 now?

 

[Anonymous10]

I may well have had my last 175 journey too, which was on 9th September from Cardiff to Port Talbot. To be fair it was a good one to finish with, not overcrowded and the air con on a hot day was very welcome. Although living in the South ive a chance of riding one still. I spotted 175109 whilst at Swansea station earlier doing 1457 to Milford Haven although unsure if this was actually booked.

How many 175s diagrams do we now have, on paper at least? Is it down to 5 now?

I think mine was about April this year best case. Every long distance journey ive done recently from pembrokeshire was a 15x.

 

[sd0733]

How many 175s diagrams do we now have, on paper at least? Is it down to 5 now?

Yes on paper there's 5 with a bit of a resurgence on booked work to Manchester:

05:45 Carmarthen to Manchester
11:30 Manchester to Carmarthen
16:55 Carmarthen to Cardiff
19:04 Cardiff to Carmarthen
21:03 Carmarthen to Fishguard
22:15 Fishguard to Swansea
00:08 Swansea to Carmarthen

06:00 Carmarthen to Milford Haven
07:02 Milford Haven to Swansea
09:03 Swansea to Milford Haven
11:04 Milford Haven to Manchester
17:30 Manchester to Cardiff
21:15 Cardiff to Chester

04:46 Chester to Crewe
05:58 Crewe to Carmarthen
10:58 Carmarthen to Cardiff
13:48 Cardiff to Milford Haven
17:00 Milford Haven to Cardiff
20:05 Cardiff to Manchester
Ecs to Crewe

06:29 Crewe to Manchester
07:30 Manchester to Carmarthen
13:04 Carmarthen to Swansea
13:57 Swansea to Carmarthen
15:01 Carmarthen to Cardiff
17:47 Cardiff to Milford Haven
20:41 Milford Haven to Carmarthen

04:35 Cardiff to Manchester
08:30 Manchester to Cardiff
12:49 Cardiff to Manchester
16:30 Manchester to Swansea
Ecs to Canton.

These are the booked weekedays but pretty much anything can show up on the day!

 

[Jez]

I think mine was about April this year best case. Every long distance journey ive done recently from pembrokeshire was a 15x.

In terms of long distance I did Neath to Manchester in early July and was lucky that both the out and return journeys were 175s. Not such a long distance for me but I also had a 175 to Carmarthen in late July but the return was a 150!

 

[Techniquest]

I may well have had my last 175 journey too, which was on 9th September from Cardiff to Port Talbot. To be fair it was a good one to finish with, not overcrowded and the air con on a hot day was very welcome. Although living in the South ive a chance of riding one still. I spotted 175109 whilst at Swansea station earlier doing 1457 to Milford Haven although unsure if this was actually booked.

How many 175s diagrams do we now have, on paper at least? Is it down to 5 now?

Not a bad one to finish on at all

I see from @sd0733 's posting that I am indeed booked a 175 on Friday morning

 

[Jez]

Yes on paper there's 5 with a bit of a resurgence on booked work to Manchester:

05:45 Carmarthen to Manchester
11:30 Manchester to Carmarthen
16:55 Carmarthen to Cardiff
19:04 Cardiff to Carmarthen
21:03 Carmarthen to Fishguard
22:15 Fishguard to Swansea
00:08 Swansea to Carmarthen

06:00 Carmarthen to Milford Haven
07:02 Milford Haven to Swansea
09:03 Swansea to Milford Haven
11:04 Milford Haven to Manchester
17:30 Manchester to Cardiff
21:15 Cardiff to Chester

04:46 Chester to Crewe
05:58 Crewe to Carmarthen
10:58 Carmarthen to Cardiff
13:48 Cardiff to Milford Haven
17:00 Milford Haven to Cardiff
20:05 Cardiff to Manchester
Ecs to Crewe

06:29 Crewe to Manchester
07:30 Manchester to Carmarthen
13:04 Carmarthen to Swansea
13:57 Swansea to Carmarthen
15:01 Carmarthen to Cardiff
17:47 Cardiff to Milford Haven
20:41 Milford Haven to Carmarthen

04:35 Cardiff to Manchester
08:30 Manchester to Cardiff
12:49 Cardiff to Manchester
16:30 Manchester to Swansea
Ecs to Canton.

These are the booked weekedays but pretty much anything can show up on the day!

Thank you. Yes they do all seem to visit Manchester, at least on paper anyway!

Not a bad one to finish on at all

I see from @sd0733 's posting that I am indeed booked a 175 on Friday morning

Yes. My previous journey on a 175 was standing from Cwmbran to Newport on a very overcrowded service (the purpose of that trip was to ride a 197 on the up journey and i happened to get a 175 as the first train back from Cwmbran) but im glad that wasnt my last 175 experience!

Fingers crossed a 175 shows up for you on Friday.

 

[50002Superb]

Does anyone know what the plan is in terms of handing 175111 back?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Only two 175s are in service today and BOTH are running Valleys services to Ebbw Vale (along with a pair of 153s - the Ebbw Valley uses three trains)

The end is very near.

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Only two 175s are in service today and BOTH are running Valleys services to Ebbw Vale (along with a pair of 153s - the Ebbw Valley uses three trains)

The end is very near.

That would explain why I didn't see any at Shrewsbury today. A 158 was on a Manchester Piccadilly to Carmarthen service today (158827) which was strange because normally that would have been a 175 of some description. Crazy to think only two 175s are out today. Normally they are everywhere...

 

[Techniquest]

Only two 175s are in service today and BOTH are running Valleys services to Ebbw Vale (along with a pair of 153s - the Ebbw Valley uses three trains)

The end is very near.

The idea of a 175 on something like Ebbw Vale both intrigues and confuses me, it would be something I'd enjoy doing but it's a bit of an expensive trip to South Wales just to do a 175 to Ebbw Vale

The end of an era is definitely close, it'll be a sad day when there's no more 175s on TfW!

 

[sd0733]

The idea of a 175 on something like Ebbw Vale both intrigues and confuses me, it would be something I'd enjoy doing but it's a bit of an expensive trip to South Wales just to do a 175 to Ebbw Vale

The end of an era is definitely close, it'll be a sad day when there's no more 175s on TfW!

The 3 Ebbw diagrams are all 150 ones so it's not planned. There's a 170 in the evening but even that's covered by a 175 this evening.

 

[Techniquest]

The 3 Ebbw diagrams are all 150 ones so it's not planned. There's a 170 in the evening but even that's covered by a 175 this evening.

Fair enough, thanks for clarifying that

Hopefully I'm not going to get a 150 or 153 in the morning, but whatever it is will have to do, I booked bargain Advances and for the saving made I will have to endure a 150 if one turns up!

 

[Caaardiff]

Given the poor reliability and availability lately. You don't want a couple out on the network with one failing in West wales, one in North Wales and one somewhere in between and nothing near by to rescue.