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fishwomp

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A more joined-up plan would have used Filton Aerodrome as a larger South West airport hub: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Filton_Airport



As is Bristol Airport stays non-accessible by rail to the south and Cardiff is stuck competing from its own poorly accessible location.

The Filton ship sailed a long time ago now but it reminds us that trying to focus on "Welsh" solutions need not be the best plan.
Quite! Filton would have been two birds with one stone: still a only/best option for Devon and Cornwall, but with added rail connectivity and reduced distance and a huge jump in connectivity to Swindon, Cheltenham, Gloucester, South Wales.
 
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Cardiff hopefully will start picking up . Play are starting flights in October there's been a lot of interest especially as it offers quicker access to the US from Cardiff than by going via Amsterdam. Klm supposed to be increasing their flights back to 3 per day soon
 

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So, you are an airline boss and Cardiff Airport pitches to you that you should start services to that airport. You ask about the public transport from the airport and the reply is that there is one bus per hour to Cardiff and it takes almost 2 hours via a circuitous route. Then you are told that a shuttle bus runs the 2 miles to Rhoose station and combined with the train, it takes 42 minutes to Cardiff BUT the trains are only hourly - every other hour on Sundays. The train also connects at Bridgend with the mainline for services to Swansea and the west.

It does not look good does it? If the Welsh Government really cared about the Airport they would have told TfW to boost services on this line as soon as possible. (Perhaps they are more concerned about Wales saving the planet from climate change)?

Aside from the Airport, let us not forget the growing population at St.Athan (the same airport shuttle bus takes people to Rhoose station) plus Llantwit Major. The Vale Coast Line also provides a direct link between the large town of Barry and Bridgend for the mainline to the west - thus avoiding going in the wrong direct east to Cardiff in order to go west.
 

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There was a frequent, fast, direct bus service between central Cardiff and the airport , the Trawscymru T9, but hardly anyone used it so it was withdrawn.
 

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The even harsher truth is that in 3 hours from Cardiff you are in the terminal at Heathrow.

Trying to run an airport entirely for South Wales is not going to work, especially one as remote as Cardiff. Filton would have worked as transport could have been easily provided.

It would probably be better to claim green credentials and simply close Cardiff. Some savings could be used to promote better services for inbound tourists and investors from Bristol / Birmingham / Heathrow
 
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Why not use the train - it takes 1h15 including the shuttle bus to airport front door, and is hourly.. , the bus is almost never going to be faster than waiting for the next train. A taxi for the 12 miles from central Cardiff also won't cost much more than public transport if travelling in a group of 3-4.

So, nope, public transport is not the cause of Cardiff's woes. It has a large population nearby, all west Wales, Swansea and the Port Talbot/Neath/Bridgend/Newport etc catchment. Bristol is nabbing this with a weaker catchment area.


Plenty of other airport connections have this problem but seem to get a lot of traffic (eg. how many services an hour between Bimingham Airport and Banbury/Oxford/Reading.. - and I for one use it and there are plenty of others doing so!!)

If necessary it should be considered against all the other TFW priorities - maybe they could do some sort of "review of shape of future services" and publish it for consulation/feedback? :)


No. It's a good view. There's a fixed amount of money, unless you are bringing in new revenue - and without the extra money, you're taking it from another place.
You think it's a good view and you're entitled to that, I absolutely don't. Bristol has very frequent dedicated coaches from south Wales as well as good and frequent buses from Temple Meads and the city centre. Cardiff doesn't have the same connectivity even with Cardiff and the surrounds.
 

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The even harsher truth is that in 3 hours from Cardiff you are in the terminal at Heathrow.

Trying to run an airport entirely for South Wales is not going to work, especially one as remote as Cardiff. Filton would have worked as transport could have been easily provided.

It would probably be better to claim green credentials and simply close Cardiff. Some savings could be used to promote better services for inbound tourists and investors from Bristol / Birmingham / Heathrow
Was also going to add that you can get a direct service to Birmingham Newstreet that takes 2 hours (I know it’s with *THAT* overcrowded operator) and then can catch one of the 8 trains per hour between Newstreet and International, a journey of just 9 minutes. So even if you need to wait 10 minutes for a train, you can be there in less than 2 and a half hours.
 

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Was also going to add that you can get a direct service to Birmingham Newstreet that takes 2 hours (I know it’s with *THAT* overcrowded operator) and then can catch one of the 8 trains per hour between Newstreet and International, a journey of just 9 minutes. So even if you need to wait 10 minutes for a train, you can be there in less than 2 and a half hours.
Those who really want to have "Wales" in their trip could jump on a 153 and change at Wilmslow ;)

IF using Manchester Aiport though I would recommend changing at Piccadilly for the trip back to Cardiff though.
 

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You think it's a good view and you're entitled to that, I absolutely don't. Bristol has very frequent dedicated coaches from south Wales as well as good and frequent buses from Temple Meads and the city centre. Cardiff doesn't have the same connectivity even with Cardiff and the surrounds.
I think it's good enough - actually better - than the airport earns for the flight volume, but it's the local population of Rhoose and surrounds that actually use it. It's a busy enough station with 150,000 entries/exits - 500 a day, for 18 trains each way a day, is not bad. 20% were season tickets - so either airport staff or locals heading to Cardiff, rather than airline passengers. Similar numbers of passengers as Bargoed (2x hr), Pencoed (1x / hour), or Knottingley (2x/hour). It might justify on its own merits, not on airport merits.
 

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There was a frequent, fast, direct bus service between central Cardiff and the airport , the Trawscymru T9, but hardly anyone used it so it was withdrawn.
Going back further, Cardiff Bus used to used to run a half hourly fast service to the airport. It was seriously cut back when the trains started running to Rhoose.
 

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Going back further, Cardiff Bus used to used to run a half hourly fast service to the airport. It was seriously cut back when the trains started running to Rhoose.
VOG line killed the X91.

An hourly X50/X91 service to Cardiff along with a half hourly VOG service is a must.

TFW will have enough units to divert one of the 3tph to Barry Island to Bridgend to give both lines 2tph.

Could also employ a unit to run a 2tph shuttle between Barry and Barry Island to connect with theVOG trains do Barry Island branch still gets 4tph.no meed to use a 756 just get a cheap pair of battery class 230s

The T9 could be very busy at times I can vouch for it as a driver and customer. What you'd ideally need is a extra train over the Vog from Bridgend and Cardiff around 0440 and a train after 2300. Buses should be a 24/7 service.
 

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Could also employ a unit to run a 2tph shuttle between Barry and Barry Island to connect with theVOG trains do Barry Island branch still gets 4tph.no meed to use a 756 just get a cheap pair of battery class 230s
You make that last bit sound so simple… but the current 230s they have don’t work, there aren’t any 230s available and can more be made with Vivarail bust (?), and TfW really don’t need any more microfleets. And yes, it would be a separate microfleet, because Canton would need its own pair of them, they couldn’t be pooled with the Borderlands ones.

A 756 though, if they have enough, sure.
 

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You make that last bit sound so simple… but the current 230s they have don’t work, there aren’t any 230s available and can more be made with Vivarail bust (?), and TfW really don’t need any more microfleets. And yes, it would be a separate microfleet, because Canton would need its own pair of them, they couldn’t be pooled with the Borderlands ones.

A 756 though, if they have enough, sure.
Whilst that is a problem all by itself, The biggest issue, is that TFW absolutely can not, under any circumstance, increase their operating costs. This means any additional rolling stock is pretty much entirely out of the question.
There would have to be a serious business case for it.
 

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