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The Schliefeen Plan

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There's a good line in Len Deighton's book "An Expensive Place to Die". "Schliefeen has no plan".

I read somewhere that at the outbreak of war (WWI) German troops simply boarded trains that were already heading back to Belgium.

Was that really the case?

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No. The major powers all had detailed plans to mobilize and deploy to the frontier ares literally millions of men (with all their equipment) - and in 1914 that meant by train - thousands of them, specially formed and running to specially drawn up timetables... and by and large that part of the plan worked. What happened later as the armies came into contact is substantially different...
 

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Wasn't the defect in the plan that there was no way of reversing it part way through, so once it was ordered war was pretty much inevitable?

Any resemblence to recent politics is purely coincidental.
 

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Wasn't the defect in the plan that there was no way of reversing it part way through, so once it was ordered war was pretty much inevitable?
There was I understand a defect in the German plan in that there wasn't a hold point between mobilization and invasion (of Belgium & Luxembourg)/war. The other great powers (France, Russia, Austria-Hungary) did, at least nominally, have such a hold point - but it was perhaps more theoretical than practical: if you think western gunfighters facing up to each other, compare draw to mobilization and firing to war... would any actually hold fire? (Or consider how any of London's suburban TOCs might cope if at the height of the morning rush they were instructed to not let the commuters out of the London termini, prepare to take them all straight home...)
Beyond that there many other defects revealed as the plan was exposed to reality and the enemy...
 

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It wasn't really the Schlieffen plan by 1914, he was out of office by 1906, and died in 1913.
It was Moltke's revision of it that went into action in 1914.
There's a lot of background on wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlieffen_Plan
But Moltke decided to invade only via Belgium and use its railways to move forces into France.
Eventually the army overreached itself and couldn't get supplies, partly because of the destruction of railways in Belgium.
The French and British regrouped on the Marne and the war of attrition in the trenches started.

In 2009, David Stahel wrote that the Clausewitzian culminating point (a theoretical watershed at which the strength of a defender surpasses that of an attacker) of the German offensive occurred before the Battle of the Marne, because the German right (western) flank armies east of Paris, were operating 100 km (62 mi) from the nearest rail-head, requiring week-long round-trips by underfed and exhausted supply horses, which led to the right wing armies becoming disastrously short of ammunition. Stahel wrote that contemporary and subsequent German assessments of Moltke's implementation of Aufmarsch II West in 1914, did not criticise the planning and supply of the campaign, even though these were instrumental to its failure and that this failure of analysis had a disastrous sequel, when the German armies were pushed well beyond their limits in Operation Barbarossa, during 1941.[82]

In 2015, Holger Herwig wrote that Army deployment plans were not shared with the Navy, Foreign Office, the Chancellor, the Austro-Hungarians or the Army commands in Prussia, Bavaria and the other German states. No one outside the Great General Staff could point out problems with the deployment plan or make arrangements. "The generals who did know about it counted on it giving a quick victory within weeks—if that did not happen there was no 'Plan B'"

AJP Taylor's book on the First World War has some wry analysis of these events, though more factual documentation has come to light since the unification of Germany.
Somewhere in the Wiki piece its says that Russia planned to build 10000 km of railways for military purposes in the period 1912-22.
I think it's safe to assume that very little of that trackage got built, contributing to the problems of campaigning on the eastern front in both world wars.
 

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Portillo's TV programme (currently being re-broadcast) said that the Belgians tried hard to sabotage their railways to obstruct the Germans, but most of the tunnels that they had mined failed to work, leaving them useable. The programme showed a big river bridge that was successfully destroyed though.
 
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