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The UK's 'strongest' buffer stop

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I have also seen sand drags on the network - like these down near Dorridge and Bordesley - which are placed before a conventional buffer stop. But, wouldn't a train or wagon derail as it goes over the sand? Does the train wheels push down on the sand and then the wheel will ride up and over the sand be derail? Or am I overthinking this and the sand just moves out of the way of the wheel - like a knife through butter?
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The locations I've seen sand drags are to create friction upon the wheels of a runaway - to slow its forward motion and to limit the effect of it hitting the bufferstop at speed; as that could risk deflecting the runaway into the running line(s)
 
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I nominate a class 31. Weld it to the rails. Immovable immobile fixed heavy object.
 

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Perhaps not strictly what the OP had in mind, but I'll nominate this concrete bufferstop in Liss, Hampshire. It was built for the Longmoor Military Railway, which terminated here. As training footplate crew was a big part of what the railway did, they put this substantial block in place during WWII to guard against the risk of rolling stock ending up on the main road in the event of a collision. Apparently trainees were warned that the building directly opposite was the office of the local funeral director!
 

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Interestingly, I found British Rail actually did research into sand drags for the ARP in the 1970s. It was called "Arrester Beds on Test Track TM-FT-025 (1975)" and is available for free on the RSSB website here: www.rssb.co.uk/spark/sparkitem/pb008795.

In their report, they say they tested a sand drag and their wagons derailed - so they gave up on the idea altogether and seem to have been experimenting with some sort of foam arrester bed instead! I don't think that every came to fruition!
 

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Interestingly, I found British Rail actually did research into sand drags for the ARP in the 1970s. It was called "Arrester Beds on Test Track TM-FT-025 (1975)" and is available for free on the RSSB website here: www.rssb.co.uk/spark/sparkitem/pb008795.

In their report, they say they tested a sand drag and their wagons derailed - so they gave up on the idea altogether and seem to have been experimenting with some sort of foam arrester bed instead! I don't think that every came to fruition!
They were looking for something a bit more high-performance than a traditional sand drag (quote from source above).
a) It must be capable of retarding a 142 tonne set of vehicles from a complete runaway at 193 km/h at a controlled deceleration of 0.6 g.
b) It must not give rise to a danger of derailment.
c) It must cause minimal damage to the vehicles.
d) It must not generate a fire risk.
e) It must not inhibit escape of personnel.
f) It must come within acceptable cost limits.
According to the report linked off that page, the foam beds were actually built and tested. I'm pretty sure I've seen a film of one of these.

Incidentally, many airport runways now have Engineered Materials Arrestor Systems at the ends. https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/engineered-material-arresting-system-emas-0
EMAS uses crushable material placed at the end of a runway to help stop an aircraft that overruns the runway. The tires of the aircraft sink into the lightweight material and the aircraft is decelerated as it rolls through the material... A standard EMAS installation can stop an aircraft overrunning the runway at 70 knots (approximately 80 miles per hour).
 

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Hi Edwin - thanks for your reply. But I don't understand why British Rail couldn't just build a really long sand drag - as long as it is long enough then surely it will do the job? I note from the British Rail Research Report they would need to reduce the height of sand to below 100mm so the trains don't derail - but if that is adhered to surely a sand drag is the perfect solution: cheap, reliable and easy to maintain?
 

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Hi Edwin - thanks for your reply. But I don't understand why British Rail couldn't just build a really long sand drag - as long as it is long enough then surely it will do the job? I note from the British Rail Research Report they would need to reduce the height of sand to below 100mm so the trains don't derail - but if that is adhered to surely a sand drag is the perfect solution: cheap, reliable and easy to maintain?
I agree it doesn't really make sense. If I'm reading the report correctly, 100mm was only used for the last test in section 1.1, where if the acceleration was constant it would have been 1.5m/s2. For the highest speed test with 50mm sand depth it would have been 0.97m/s2. So it's possible a lesser depth would have given them the 0.6m/s2 they were looking for, although the train's mass would have been another factor (20 tonnes tested against a requirement for 193 tonnes).
 

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Hi Edwin - thanks for your reply. But I don't understand why British Rail couldn't just build a really long sand drag - as long as it is long enough then surely it will do the job?
Space is presumably a concern for this solution to be practical around the network.
 

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Space is presumably a concern for this solution to be practical around the network.
Sand drags or similar may be provided where a double track converges to single. These are places where a SPAD could lead to a head-on collision at a high closing speed, but also may be used by trains with passengers so the derailment after a SPAD could also be hazardous. Many of these are former double track so the sand drag (or some alternative) can continue on the old formation for as far as considered necessary. Some may have been removed since TPWS was introduced, which addresses the same hazard in a different way.
 

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There are some that are massive concrete blocks (think these date from WW2), physically strong, and rely on deadweight, but often not anchored to ground very well.

Think the hydraulic buffers installed at Waterloo by LSWR were designed to absorb train colliding at 15mph, by another definition could be deemed as strong
They were my first thought on seeing the thread.

I have also seen sand drags on the network - like these down near Dorridge and Bordesley - which are placed before a conventional buffer stop. But, wouldn't a train or wagon derail as it goes over the sand? Does the train wheels push down on the sand and then the wheel will ride up and over the sand be derail? Or am I overthinking this and the sand just moves out of the way of the wheel - like a knife through butter?
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My late father was involved in some testing when he worked at London Transport (as it then was) involving 1938 tube stock and District line (CO/CP) stock being driven at 15-20mph-ish into sand drags at Upminster depot. He took cine film of it and it was fascinating to watch. The trains ploughed in and derailed/rode up but stayed upright and pretty much on course. See this video from 12:27 onwards.
 
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As a child I thought the big hydraulic fellas at Bradford Interchange were very impressive. Although now I realise, they're only a temporary measure until they build Bradford Crossrail (I'll get my coat.....)
 

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Not wishing to ruin the party but buffer stops exist just to mark the end of the line and should not be driven into during normal train operation at any time.
While I agree that buffer stops should not be driven into during normal train operation, if they really just existed to mark the end of the line they would have much simpler construction.
 

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While I agree that buffer stops should not be driven into during normal train operation, if they really just existed to mark the end of the line they would have much simpler construction.
They are intended to provide an extra protection (quite literally a backstop) if the non-normal situation arises where a train doesn't stop before reaching one. As such they are subject to risk assessment which considers the likelihood and severity of consequences.
 

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They are pretty substantial for sure. I've watched this clip of them being tested quite often.

That's a light engine touching the buffers at well below walking pace, then presumably applying a certain amount of tractive effort to confirm they move. If used in anger, the buffers would only be able to apply a similar force to that for their distance of travel (it's possible the force increases over that distance). Consider what speed a Class 56 could accelerate a train to over a distance of a couple of metres, and the same train hitting the stops at above that speed will run them through their travel and hit some kind of hard stop after that.
 

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While I agree that buffer stops should not be driven into during normal train operation, if they really just existed to mark the end of the line they would have much simpler construction.
Sometimes you get both. First a red light on a stick. Then something more substantial.
 

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Don't they spray hydraulic fluid around liberally if hit in anger?
The ones at Glasgow Central use water which goes into a reservoir. Up until about 30 years ago it wasn't unusual for loco-hauled trains to touch or even slightly compress the buffers at Glasgow to make maximum use of the available platform length.
 

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The ones at Glasgow Central use water which goes into a reservoir. Up until about 30 years ago it wasn't unusual for loco-hauled trains to touch or even slightly compress the buffers at Glasgow to make maximum use of the available platform length.

Can you imagine the panic on peoples faces if something like that was suggested today?
 

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Can you imagine the panic on peoples faces if something like that was suggested today?
Might not be so relevant for units, but it’s still permitted to close on to buffer stops for operational requirements.
 

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I was always impressed by this monster at Putney Bridge station. It looked more like an artillery piece, taking aim at Earls Court. Sadly, it was removed when the station layout was modified a few years back.London -- Putney Br Buffer 1.jpg
 

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They are pretty substantial for sure. I've watched this clip of them being tested quite often.


That's Platform 9. I'm sure it was that very same set of buffers that were tested many years ago, and one of the 'pistons' didn't come back out again. This was before they had that extra section on the front for modern DMUs and EMUs. They fenced off the area in case it shot out suddenly out and killed someone.... I believe the fluid (water?) had leaked out and noone had noticed.

Central Station used to have them on all 13 high level plaforms. After the rearrangement of the mid 1980s platforms 2 & 3 and 4 & 5 lost theirs. (Original) Platforms 12 & 13 also lost theirs but I don't know when that happened. So, out of 15 platforms, only 1, 6 & 7, 8 & 9, and 10 & 11 still have them.
 

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That's Platform 9. I'm sure it was that very same set of buffers that were tested many years ago, and one of the 'pistons' didn't come back out again. This was before they had that extra section on the front for modern DMUs and EMUs. They fenced off the area in case it shot out suddenly out and killed someone.... I believe the fluid (water?) had leaked out and noone had noticed.
I remember when all the castings broke during a cold snap in 1996. This was Platform 9:

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I remember when all the castings broke during a cold snap in 1996. This was Platform 9:

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Cracking picture.

I made a couple of models of these buffers for Trainz. Were quite popular.

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