Three Bridges - Chichester - any reasonable route query

[mrbouffant]

Hello there.
My 16 year old lad purchased an Off-Peak Day Return today (Monday 10th April) from Three Bridges to Chichester, using his 16-17 saver. Cost was £9.65.
On the outward leg he went via Horsham.
He wants to return this afternoon with a break of journey at Brighton. Is this route/break valid with his ticket?
The only restriction shown on the ticket is B3 which I think just restricts travel in peak hours.
Many thanks for your help!

 

[JonathanH]

There is no problem at all returning via Brighton, nor breaking the journey there, on a ticket from Three Bridges to Chichester.

 

[island]

Looks fine to me; NRE will happily offer the route for that fare.

"Any reasonable route" went out in the 90s though

 

[JonathanH]

Looks fine to me; NRE will happily offer the route for that fare.

"Any reasonable route" went out in the 90s though

Permitted between Three Bridges and Ford Group routeing points on map LB. LP gives the route via Horsham.

 

[SouthEastBuses]

Hello there.
My 16 year old lad purchased an Off-Peak Day Return today (Monday 10th April) from Three Bridges to Chichester, using his 16-17 saver. Cost was £9.65.
On the outward leg he went via Horsham.
He wants to return this afternoon with a break of journey at Brighton. Is this route/break valid with his ticket?
The only restriction shown on the ticket is B3 which I think just restricts travel in peak hours.
Many thanks for your help!

Yes that's absolutely fine, and tbh I highly recommend it too, Brighton is a nice city with so much to do, so I'm sure he'll enjoy it!

Permitted between Three Bridges and Ford Group routeing points on map LB. LP gives the route via Horsham.

Out of interest what resource are you using to find codes like LB and LP?

 

[Watershed]

Hello there.
My 16 year old lad purchased an Off-Peak Day Return today (Monday 10th April) from Three Bridges to Chichester, using his 16-17 saver. Cost was £9.65.
On the outward leg he went via Horsham.
He wants to return this afternoon with a break of journey at Brighton. Is this route/break valid with his ticket?
The only restriction shown on the ticket is B3 which I think just restricts travel in peak hours.
Many thanks for your help!

The old system of "any reasonable route" was scrapped at privatisation, being replaced with the Routeing Guide.

Travel via Brighton or even Lewes is permitted under map LB, as well as the shortest route via Horsham.

 

[SouthEastBuses]

The only restriction shown on the ticket is B3 which I think just restricts travel in peak hours.

Restriction code B3 doesn't permit travel on Monday-Fridays (unless they're bank holidays) in the morning peak until 09:00.

So if your son wants to travel during the afternoon peak then he can do that

 

[Haywain]

Restriction code B3 doesn't permit travel on Monday-Fridays (unless they're bank holidays) in the morning peak until 09:00.

And doesn't apply today, being a bank holiday.

 

[JonathanH]

Out of interest what resource are you using to find codes like LB and LP?

The routeing guide is available at https://data.atoc.org/routeing-guide

Routeing Guide Data
This guide shows the full range of permitted routes available for use with tickets on
the National Rail network. The content has been approved by the Department for
Transport. If you are planning a journey we would strongly advise you to make use of
the Journey Planner at www.nationalrail.co.uk. Any ticket indicated for use in
conjunction with a particular journey when using the Journey Planner will
automatically be valid for the route and service indicated.

PLEASE NOTE this guide is of necessity a complex document and the Journey
Planner should be used to validate any intended route (including relevant ‘via’ points)
to ensure that it can be used with your ticket. This is especially necessary if using
this guide to identify whether an indirect or unusual route is valid for use.

TO USE THIS GUIDE: Follow the steps below to identify the permitted routes for the
journey that you wish to make. Please ensure that you read the instructions on how
to use the National Routeing Guide before you begin the search.

At a basic level, you check the routeing points https://data.atoc.org/rp_calc
then the available routes http://iblocks-rg-publication.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/yellow_pages.pdf
then the maps https://data.atoc.org/routeing-maps
but there are more detailed instructions on the pages.

 

[SouthEastBuses]

The routeing guide is available at https://data.atoc.org/routeing-guide


At a basic level, you check the routeing points https://data.atoc.org/rp_calc
then the available routes http://iblocks-rg-publication.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/yellow_pages.pdf
then the maps https://data.atoc.org/routeing-maps
but there are more detailed instructions on the pages.

This sounds good, thank you. Sounds like quite a complex resource to use though!

 

[Alex365Dash]

This sounds good, thank you. Sounds like quite a complex resource to use though!

Permitted Routes can get quite complex indeed, especially for some longer-distance journeys!

 

[mrbouffant]

Thanks all for your thoughts!

 

[fandroid]

You can get fairly good idea of permitted routes by inserting the desired break point in the "via" slot on the journey planner when you buy tickets online. If the ticket offered is the same as the one offered when omitting that step then the route is a valid one. The Rail UK Forums ticket site allows you to enter several "via" points. Most ticket websites just allow one.