TPE Nova 3 (Class 68 + Mk5s) updates and withdrawal from service

[12LDA28C]

What is happening at Wolverton to them?

Wouldn't surprise me if they are heading there for storage. That's what Wolverton gets used for mostly these days.

 

[sjpowermac]

Thanks for the following.

How long has TP07 been at Gascoigne Wood ?. Bit surprised with that - should I not be ?.

68025/TP07
04.09.2023
5Q37 1115 Longsight-Gascoigne Wood

There’s limited space at Longsight and with TP01/TP05 (plus now TP10) taking up three of those spaces, some perfectly serviceable sets have been moved off Longsight.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

One of the sets just passed me on 1U71 1730 Manchester Piccadilly to Scarborough. No idea which set or loco, as I was on the 185 on the Leeds to Huddersfield stopper.

 

[JonathanH]

One of the sets just passed me on 1U71 1730 Manchester Piccadilly to Scarborough. No idea which set or loco, as I was on the 185 on the Leeds to Huddersfield stopper.

That isn't unexpected though - RTT says it was 68023 and set TP09.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

That isn't unexpected though - RTT says it was 68023 and set TP09.

RTT wasn't showing allocations for me, just the formation (in the wrong direction). Didn't think it was unexpected, but there was no mention of it today (just talk of movements to Wolverton) so thought it might be of use for anyone who was wanting to get one for sight or haulage.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

RTT wasn't showing allocations for me, just the formation (in the wrong direction). Didn't think it was unexpected, but there was no mention of it today (just talk of movements to Wolverton) so thought it might be of use for anyone who was wanting to get one for sight or haulage.

In case you didn't check it shows in the detailed box (needs to be expanded out on mobile)

 

[Peter Sarf]

68025/TP07
04.09.2023
5Q37 1115 Longsight-Gascoigne Wood

There’s limited space at Longsight and with TP01/TP05 (plus now TP10) taking up three of those spaces, some perfectly serviceable sets have been moved off Longsight.

Ah I see. Hope for TP07 to come out to play later in the season I suppose.

RTT wasn't showing allocations for me, just the formation (in the wrong direction). Didn't think it was unexpected, but there was no mention of it today (just talk of movements to Wolverton) so thought it might be of use for anyone who was wanting to get one for sight or haulage.

FYI - The below was posted earlier today (further up the thread, just before the replies about Wolverton). TP09 started off on the 11:35 MAN-SCA (1U47). Its a useful list. According to my spreadsheet the set of workings is Piccadilly 1U47, Scarborough 1U60, Piccadilly 1U71 then Scarborough 5U71 to Scarborough TMD for the night.

Useful list :-

For anyone interested in where locos/sets are, status at 12:00, info given in good faith.

68019 Crewe Gresty Bridge
68020/TP02 allocated 1548 SCA-YRK
68021 Carlisle Kingmoor
68022 Crewe Gresty Bridge
68023/TP09 en-route 1135 MAN-SCA
68024/TP06 allocated 1748 SCA-LDS
68025/TP07 Gascoigne Wood
68026/TP03 Scarborough
68027 Crewe Gresty Bridge
68028/TP12 York Exam Road
68029/TP01 Longsight*
68030/TP10 Longsight*
68031/TP05 Longsight*
68032/TP13 Longsight

Crewe South Yard
TP04
TP08
TP11

*Stopped awaiting repairs to yaw damper attachment point/dimensional irregularities of C-slot.

As I understand it, TP01/TP10 are awaiting transfer to Wolverton Works.

 

[sjpowermac]

Crack rectification?

Yes, as I understand it.

Sets in service at 1230 21.09.2023
*Info in good faith and subject to change*

68020/TP02
1U24 0548 SCA-LDS
1U27 0720 LDS-SCA
1U40 0940 SCA-YRK
1U43 1203 YRK-SCA
1U56 1348 SCA-YRK
1U59 1603 YRK-SCA
1U80 1948 SCA-MAN
5H80 2222 MAN-Longsight

68023/TP09
5U72 1730 Scarborough TMD-SCA
1U72 1748 SCA-LDS
1U75 1934 LDS-SCA
1U88 2148 SCA-YRK
1U87 2303 YRK-SCA

In addition:
Scarborough
68026/TP03

York
68028/TP12

Longsight (active sets)
68024/TP06 (Exam)
68032/TP13

For other sets/locos, please refer to yesterday’s list.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Yes, as I understand it.

Sets in service at 1230 21.09.2023
*Info in good faith and subject to change*

68020/TP02
1U24 0548 SCA-LDS
1U27 0720 LDS-SCA
1U40 0940 SCA-YRK
1U43 1203 YRK-SCA
1U56 1348 SCA-YRK
1U59 1603 YRK-SCA
1U80 1948 SCA-MAN
5H80 2222 MAN-Longsight

68023/TP09
5U72 1730 Scarborough TMD-SCA
1U72 1748 SCA-LDS
1U75 1934 LDS-SCA
1U88 2148 SCA-YRK
1U87 2303 YRK-SCA

In addition:
Scarborough
68026/TP03

York
68028/TP12

Longsight (active sets)
68024/TP06 (Exam)
68032/TP13

For other sets/locos, please refer to yesterday’s list.

Thanks very much. Much appreciated.

Questions -
I take it Active Sets means immediately usable ?.
Is that only two active at Longsight ?.
Is TP07 at Gascoigne Wood an active set ?.

Sub question - anyone know how visible is TP07 at Gascoigne wood ?.

 

[finlaywilson2]

Given today’s cancellations, treat with caution, but it looks like there maybe an additional diagram for Sunday. If it does work then I think this would be the first Nova 3 in passenger service at Manchester Airport. As always, no inside knowledge, so any confirmation much appreciated.

5M04 07:24 Longsight-Manchester Victoria (07:54)
9M04 08:25 Manchester Victoria-Liverpool (09:00)
1E31 09:55 Liverpool-Scarborough (12:40)
1F68 13:44 Scarborough-Liverpool (16:32)
1E45 16:52 Liverpool-Scarborough (19:40)
1P42 20:42 Scarborough-Manchester Airport (23:23)
5H42 23:40 Manchester Airport-Longsight (00:19)

Where’s longsight station? Never heard of it

 

[gledhill56]

Where’s longsight station? Never heard of it

Longsight is a depot, not a station.

 

[finlaywilson2]

Longsight is a depot, not a station.

Haha! Thankyou.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Where’s longsight station? Never heard of it

The (closed) Longsight station was located next to Longsight TMD, which is still operational

 

[finlaywilson2]

The (closed) Longsight station was located next to Longsight TMD, which is still operational

When was this operational. My farther lived in nearby belle vue and commuted frequently. Could he have used it?

 

[warwickshire]

The (closed) Longsight station was located next to Longsight TMD, which is still operational

Yes, what's more around the Wheelathe area, you can see the old existing platforms, just past the road overbridge, next to the road, which serves Asdas.
Ie on the down line to Manchester, ie just after passing Asdas, going to Manchester.

 

[D6975]

Longsight station remained in use as a staff halt long after closure. I'm not sure when this stopped (if it as).

 

[sjpowermac]

Thanks very much. Much appreciated.

Questions -
I take it Active Sets means immediately usable ?.
Is that only two active at Longsight ?.
Is TP07 at Gascoigne Wood an active set ?.

Sub question - anyone know how visible is TP07 at Gascoigne wood ?.

Yes, by ‘active’ I meant exactly as you have it, immediately useable or useable after normal periodic exams.

TP07 at Gascoigne Wood I wouldn’t classify as ‘active’ in that sense, since it would need to be transferred to Longsight and then made ready for service.

I’m not sure about visibility at Gascoigne Wood. From observations of sets there in the past, it has usually been possible to see the loco/DT but only poking out from behind stored wagons/EMUs.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Where’s longsight station? Never heard of it

As others have said Longsight is the home Depot for the TPE Mk5s & 68s.

A health warning - the post you quoted is almost four years old so don't rely on it being up to date information.

Yes, by ‘active’ I meant exactly as you have it, immediately useable or useable after normal periodic exams.

TP07 at Gascoigne Wood I wouldn’t classify as ‘active’ in that sense, since it would need to be transferred to Longsight and then made ready for service.

I’m not sure about visibility at Gascoigne Wood. From observations of sets there in the past, it has usually been possible to see the loco/DT but only poking out from behind stored wagons/EMUs.

Thanks. I feared Gascoigne Wood would be hard to get at.

So TP07 is not unhealthy enough to fail to be used in service sometime between now and December 2023 ?.

 

[Greybeard33]

For anyone interested in where locos/sets are, status at 12:00, info given in good faith.
...
Crewe South Yard
TP04
TP08
TP11

This list had, as of 20 September, TP04, TP08 and TP11 stored in Crewe South Yard with no 68s attached. Is it known if these sets are now permanently withdrawn?

RTT shows no moves between Crewe South Yard and Longsight in the last week.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Longsight station remained in use as a staff halt long after closure. I'm not sure when this stopped (if it as).

More recently Longsight staff halt was a tiny platform a few metres long, not the complete station.

 

[shredder1]

Would York still be the best place to see the Transpennine Cats before they finish?

 

[JonathanH]

Would York still be the best place to see the Transpennine Cats before they finish?

Yes, if you want to see them in service.

 

[shredder1]

Yes, if you want to see them in service.

Thank you Jonathan, Ill probably nip over tomorrow then.

 

[sjpowermac]

This list had, as of 20 September, TP04, TP08 and TP11 stored in Crewe South Yard with no 68s attached. Is it known if these sets are now permanently withdrawn?

RTT shows no moves between Crewe South Yard and Longsight in the last week.

Longsight has a maximum of seven berths available to Class 68/Mk5A sets, currently Crewe South Yard and Gascoigne Wood are stabling points for sets not required in traffic.

As I understand it, TP04/08/11 are at Crewe South Yard as part of the usual rotation of sets. Over the past two years it hasn’t been unusual to see sets there without a loco attached.

Hope that helps

So TP07 is not unhealthy enough to fail to be used in service sometime between now and December 2023

In the past when sets have been stabled at Gascoigne Wood, they have usually made their way back to Longsight within a month in order that loco/stock exams don’t become overdue.

No guarantees, but given 68025/TP07 arrived on 04.09.2023, they might well be in traffic again from early October.

Thank you Jonathan, Ill probably nip over tomorrow then.

Saturday is usually a good day with the majority of trains between York and Scarborough diagrammed for Class 68/Mk5A sets.

There will unfortunately be some substitutions on 23.09.2023 since rather than the booked three sets overnight at Scarborough there will only be the following available for traffic:

68023/TP09
68030/TP10

There should be a third set working on to the branch via 1P05 0242 Longsight-York.

I’ve attached a timetable showing all services for the day, with those booked for Class 185 shaded in grey (Edit: apologies I should have also shaded 1U31).

Hope you have a great day

 

[JonathanH]

68030/TP10

TP10 has reappeared? That must be the first time in a while.

 

[sjpowermac]

TP10 has reappeared? That must be the first time in a while.

Yes, its previous working was on 28.08.2023 and it had been at Longsight since then.

As I understood it TP10 was stopped with cracks, but either that wasn’t true or further investigation has allowed a return to traffic, not sure which.

 

[shredder1]

Longsight has a maximum of seven berths available to Class 68/Mk5A sets, currently Crewe South Yard and Gascoigne Wood are stabling points for sets not required in traffic.

As I understand it, TP04/08/11 are at Crewe South Yard as part of the usual rotation of sets. Over the past two years it hasn’t been unusual to see sets there without a loco attached.

Hope that helps


In the past when sets have been stabled at Gascoigne Wood, they have usually made their way back to Longsight within a month in order that loco/stock exams don’t become overdue.

No guarantees, but given 68025/TP07 arrived on 04.09.2023, they might well be in traffic again from early October.


Saturday is usually a good day with the majority of trains between York and Scarborough diagrammed for Class 68/Mk5A sets.

There will unfortunately be some substitutions on 23.09.2023 since rather than the booked three sets overnight at Scarborough there will only be the following available for traffic:

68023/TP09
68030/TP10

There should be a third set working on to the branch via 1P05 0242 Longsight-York.

I’ve attached a timetable showing all services for the day, with those booked for Class 185 shaded in grey (Edit: apologies I should have also shaded 1U31).

Hope you have a great day

Thank you very much, so kind of you, cheers

 

[sjpowermac]

Thank you very much, so kind of you, cheers

You are very welcome.

I’ve copied below diagrams with allocations for Saturday 23.09.2023.

To help with photos I’ve indicated which end of the train the loco is on:
East “loco facing Scarborough”
West “loco facing York”

Timetable also updated with same info and 185s greyed out.

Changes can happen, so worth double checking on RTT.

Hope you have a great day

68024/TP06 loco West end
(Leads 5P05/1P05 to Huddersfield/trails from Huddersfield)
5P05 0228 Longsight-Man Picc (0239)
1P05 0242 Manchester Picc-York (0457) via Calder Valley, Huddersfield (reverse) & Wakefield Kirkgate
5U71 0557 York-SF (0705)
Stables/Fuel Scarborough TMD
5U44 1030 SF-Scarborough (1035)
1U44 1048 Scarborough-York (1138)
1U43 1203 York-Scarborough (1253)
1U56 1348 Scarborough-York (1438)
1U55 1503 York-Scarborough (1553)
1U68 1648 Scarborough-York (1738)
1U67 1803 York-Scarborough (1853)
1U84 2043 Scarborough-York (2132)
1U83 2203 York-Scarborough (2253)
Stables Scarborough

185 116
ex-Scarborough station
1U24 0546 Scarborough-York (0636)
1U23 0704 York-Scarborough (0753)
1U36 0845 Scarborough-York (0938)
1U35 1003 York-Scarborough (1053)
1U48 1148 Scarborough-York (1238)
1U47 1303 York-Scarborough (1353)
1U60 1448 Scarborough-York (1538)
1U59 1603 York-Scarborough (1654)
1U76 1848 Scarborough-Leeds (2004)
1U79 2019 Leeds-Scarborough (2153) via Castleford
*5U79 2205 Scarborough-TMD*CAPE
Stables Scarborough TMD

68030/TP10 loco East end
ex-Scarborough TMD
5U72 1730 SF-Scarborough (1735)
1U72 1748 Scarborough-Leeds (1928)
via Castleford
*68030/TP10 loco West end*
1U75 1934 Leeds-Scarborough (2053)
1U88 2148 Scarborough-York (2238)
1U87 2303 York-Scarborough (2352)

68023/TP09 loco East end
ex-Scarborough station
1U28 0648 Scarborough-York (0738)
1U27 0803 York-Scarborough (0855)
1U40 0948 Scarborough-York (1038)
1U39 1103 York-Scarborough (1153)
1U52 1248 Scarborough-York (1338)
1U51 1403 York-Scarborough (1453)
1U64 1548 Scarborough-York (1638)
1U63 1704 York-Scarborough (1753)
1U80 1948 Scarborough-York (2038)
1P42 2104 York-Man Vic (2254) via Brighouse and Calder Valley
5H44 2325 Man Vic-Longsight (2351)

Class 185 diagram: 185 132
1P07 0422 MIA-SCA (0708)
1U32 0748 SCA-YRK (0839)
1U31 0905 YRK-SCA (0954)
5T71 1810 Scarborough-York (1854)
1U71 1903 York-Scarborough (1953)
1P98 2245 Scarborough-York (2335)
Stables York STS

 

[5562]

Thanks for posting such a helpful overview of the diagrams. Are Saturdays going forward to December likely to be similar for 68 useage?
And do they work a Sundays?

 

[sjpowermac]

Thanks for posting such a helpful overview of the diagrams. Are Saturdays going forward to December likely to be similar for 68 useage?
And do they work a Sundays?

I’m delighted you found them helpful.

Saturday 30th September no services

Saturdays 7th, 14th, 21st October 2023 diagrams as shown in post #1798.

Yes, there are diagrams on a Sunday now, they vary a little bit each week at the Manchester end, but are the same on the Scarborough line.

From November Saturday diagrams are broadly similar to weekdays and Sunday services run through to Manchester Piccadilly alternate hours.

Diagrams for Sunday 24.09.2023
Sets at Scarborough:
68024/TP06
68030/TP10

601
5U35 0752 Longsight-Manchester Victoria (0807)
1U35 0826 Manchester Piccadilly-Scarborough (1053)
via Calder Valley
1U48 1148 Scarborough-York (1238)
1U47 1303 York-Scarborough (1353)
1U60 1448 Scarborough-York (1538)
1U59 1603 York-Scarborough (1653)
1U72 1730 Scarborough-Leeds (1855)
1U75 1934 Leeds-Scarborough (2055)
1U88 2148 Scarborough-York (2238)
1U87 2305 York-Scarborough (2353)

LO602
5U34 0835 Scarborough TMD-York (0920)
1U31 0934 York-Scarborough (1023)
1U44 1044 Scarborough-York (1134)
1U43 1203 York-Scarborough (1253)
1U56 1348 Scarborough-York (1438)
1U55 1503 York-Scarborough (1553)
1U68 1643 Scarborough-York (1733)
1U67 1803 York-Scarborough (1853)
1U80 1943 Scarborough-York (2033)
1P42 2149 York-Manchester Vic (2315)
via Calder Valley
5H92 2325 Manchester Vic-LO (2345)

LO606
1U40 0948 Scarborough-York (1039)
1U39 1105 York-Scarborough (1154)
1U52 1243 Scarborough-York (1333)
1U51 1403 York-Scarborough (1453)
1U64 1548 Scarborough-York (1638)
1U63 1703 York-Scarborough (1753)
1U76 1836 Scarborough-Leeds (2004)
1U79 2035 Leeds-Scarborough (2155)
5U79 2210 Scarborough-SF (2215)

LO607
*Probably a Class 185 on 24.09.2023*
5U36 0830 SF-Scarborough (0835)
1U36 0848 Scarborough-York (0938)
5U71 1010 York-York Exam Road (1026)
5U71 1814 York Exam Road-York (1838)
1U71 1903 York-Scarborough (1953)
1U84 2048 Scarborough-York (2138)
1U83 2203 York-Scarborough (2253)