Entirely depends on the contract wording. It is certainly common (if seemingly bizarre) practice in the airline industry when handing back long term leased aircraft.
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TPE Nova 3 (Class 68 + Mk5s) updates and withdrawal from service
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Thank you for the update on this. Much appreciated.
warwickshire
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Saturday 13th July 2024.
Mk5 set current locations. I have the following
Wolverton Centre Sidings:
TP01 Branded. Still at Wolverton
Crewe South Yard:
TP03 Unbranded. Still at Crewe.
Longsight Tmd:
TP06 Unbranded
TP02 Unbranded
TP13 Unbranded
Long Marston
TP04 Unbranded
TP09 Unbranded
TP12 Unbranded
TP05 Unbranded
TP07 TP08 TP10 x3, undergoing debranding still, these x3 most likely still to return to Longsight for further works TBA.
Any further updates. Much appreciated
Warwickshire.
Mk5 set current locations. I have the following
Wolverton Centre Sidings:
TP01 Branded. Still at Wolverton
Crewe South Yard:
TP03 Unbranded. Still at Crewe.
Longsight Tmd:
TP06 Unbranded
TP02 Unbranded
TP13 Unbranded
Long Marston
TP04 Unbranded
TP09 Unbranded
TP12 Unbranded
TP05 Unbranded
TP07 TP08 TP10 x3, undergoing debranding still, these x3 most likely still to return to Longsight for further works TBA.
Any further updates. Much appreciated
Warwickshire.
warwickshire
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Saturday 13th July 2024
Mk5 set location revision:
Long Marston:
TP11 Unbranded
Apologies missed this one, of the above list also.
Kind Regards
Warwickshire
Mk5 set location revision:
Long Marston:
TP11 Unbranded
Apologies missed this one, of the above list also.
Kind Regards
Warwickshire
Peter Sarf
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Add to that 12802 - I believe at Long Marston.
Remembering that set TP02 has 12814 (the "spare" driving coach) in it instead of 12802.
warwickshire
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Yes, thank you, 12802 is a solo spare.
Rhysdabeast
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For the record 68023 took TP06 back to Longsight on Friday, confirmed by me seeing the move at Casey Lane
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Peter Sarf
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Being at Long Marston 12802 might now be unbranded or in the process of being unbranded - anyone know ?. That is assuming 12802 ever was branded - because it dropped out of use very early in the proceedings, possibly before acceptance.
Bob figgis
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12802 was branded I saw it whilst it was at CAF Newport. This YouTube video shows it now at Long Marston, 4:19 minutes in.
Peter Sarf
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Thanks for that, so as of March 2024 we can see 12802 was still branded.
warwickshire
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Tuesday 27th August 2024.
Observation through Northfield saw
5Q94 0858 Longsight Tmd to Long Marston.
68029 take unbranded set TP13 back to Long Marston.
TP13 Unbranded is now in store at Long Marston.
Saturday 31st August 2024.
Observation through Sandbach on time.
5Q32 1015 Crewe South Yard to Longsight Tmd
68029 with set unbranded TP03 back to Longsight Tmd for servicing and final handback prior to returning to Long Marston.
Most likely from today will see no.more sets stored at Crewe South Yard.
Unless another fails on move back to Long Marston like this one did back in April with the Same locomotive at Stafford and was rescued by a class 57,
Also this set Unbranded TP03 has spent the most time away before returning back to Long Marston, which was back in February 2024, six months and counting.
Observations through Barnt Green
Tuesday 03rd September 2024.
0858 Longsight Tmd to Long Marston
TP02 Unbranded back to Long Marston and in Store, Most likely after handack checks.
Apart from Branded set TP01 at Wolverton still.
TP03 Unbranded at Longsight .
TP06 Unbranded at Longsight.
The rest of the sets including spare end trailer 12602 are all at Long Marston.
Tuesday 03rd September 2024,
Thursday 05th September 2024
0915 0Z90 Crewe Gresty Bridge to Long Marston was,
68026 top n tail with 68027, taking 68030 68028 68032 into store at Long Marston.
1440 0Z91 68027 68026 returned to Crewe Drs depot.
Friday 06th September 2024
0915 0915 0Z90 Crewe Gresty Bridge to Long Marston again 68026 top n tailed with 68027, taking 68020 68031 68022 to Store Long Marston.
1440 0Z91 Long Marston to Leicester LIp
68026 68027, at Leicester but still in use.
It appears 68026 68027 68023 68029 are still a handful of the ex Transpennie locos still on lease to move the Mk5 sets around still between Long Marston and Longsight
It appears 68020 68022 68028 68030 68031 68032 are now in store at Long Marston handed back to Beacon Rail, with Mk5 sets
However the the current status of 68019, 68021 68024, 68025 I believe are at Carlisle awaiting handback, final service, but any further information would be much appreciated.
Regards
Warwickshire.
Monday 09th September 2024
5Q42 1544 Long Marston to Longsight Tmd saw 68023, back after a b exam at Crewe take set Unbranded TP04 back to Longsight Tmd for a second time for further exam and handback checks.
So at Longsight is 68023 68029 blue livery
Unbranded sets TP03 TP04 TP06 undergoing further handback checks.
Observation through Northfield saw
5Q94 0858 Longsight Tmd to Long Marston.
68029 take unbranded set TP13 back to Long Marston.
TP13 Unbranded is now in store at Long Marston.
Saturday 31st August 2024.
Observation through Sandbach on time.
5Q32 1015 Crewe South Yard to Longsight Tmd
68029 with set unbranded TP03 back to Longsight Tmd for servicing and final handback prior to returning to Long Marston.
Most likely from today will see no.more sets stored at Crewe South Yard.
Unless another fails on move back to Long Marston like this one did back in April with the Same locomotive at Stafford and was rescued by a class 57,
Also this set Unbranded TP03 has spent the most time away before returning back to Long Marston, which was back in February 2024, six months and counting.
Observations through Barnt Green
Tuesday 03rd September 2024.
0858 Longsight Tmd to Long Marston
TP02 Unbranded back to Long Marston and in Store, Most likely after handack checks.
Apart from Branded set TP01 at Wolverton still.
TP03 Unbranded at Longsight .
TP06 Unbranded at Longsight.
The rest of the sets including spare end trailer 12602 are all at Long Marston.
5Q32 0858 Longsight Tmd to Long Marston again with 68023 with Unbranded set TP02.
Tuesday 03rd September 2024,
Thursday 05th September 2024
0915 0Z90 Crewe Gresty Bridge to Long Marston was,
68026 top n tail with 68027, taking 68030 68028 68032 into store at Long Marston.
1440 0Z91 68027 68026 returned to Crewe Drs depot.
Friday 06th September 2024
0915 0915 0Z90 Crewe Gresty Bridge to Long Marston again 68026 top n tailed with 68027, taking 68020 68031 68022 to Store Long Marston.
1440 0Z91 Long Marston to Leicester LIp
68026 68027, at Leicester but still in use.
It appears 68026 68027 68023 68029 are still a handful of the ex Transpennie locos still on lease to move the Mk5 sets around still between Long Marston and Longsight
It appears 68020 68022 68028 68030 68031 68032 are now in store at Long Marston handed back to Beacon Rail, with Mk5 sets
However the the current status of 68019, 68021 68024, 68025 I believe are at Carlisle awaiting handback, final service, but any further information would be much appreciated.
Regards
Warwickshire.
Monday 09th September 2024
5Q42 1544 Long Marston to Longsight Tmd saw 68023, back after a b exam at Crewe take set Unbranded TP04 back to Longsight Tmd for a second time for further exam and handback checks.
So at Longsight is 68023 68029 blue livery
Unbranded sets TP03 TP04 TP06 undergoing further handback checks.
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Peter Sarf
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I thought the lease ended in June 2024?.
If not then what is the status of 12802 - the spare driving trailer ?.
It did - the Mk5s are currently off-lease.
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68023/29 are still leased to TPE for stock moves between Longsight and Long Marston. As I understand it, all of the Mk5A stock is still leased to TPT, including the spare DT 12802
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A source from Transpennie express told me a couple of weeks ago, only however 3 sets was still on lease to Transpennie after the other sets including the DT 12802, was returned to Beacon Rail, ie 3 sets remaining on lease due to the bad condition they are in, obviously this might not be true.
Only the most reliable information from sources else which matches with information from op on here is that 68029 68023, are still on lease to TPE for the moves, obvious reasons one in service, other spare rescue etc,
Plus 68026 68027 on lease to Europhenix hence move to Leicester on Friday 06th September 2024, after dropping the 68s off at Long Marston.
However due to issues with mk5 sets, condition wise, it's possible that all the sets are still on lease until December 2024, as part of the lease term, as its had to been extended.
Peter Sarf
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I wonder if 12802 will make a trip to Longsight ?. It is probably the single Mk5a most people need !.
This was in traffic wasn’t it, before it got swapped out and made ‘the spare’?
Peter Sarf
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I think it did not make it beyond testing aiui ?.
I believe it entered traffic for a very short period of time, before being swapped out.
Peter Sarf
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Makes sense. Others have only seen its replacement in set TP02 (i.e. 12814 the original "spare") and I certainly never got a sniff at TP02 before 12802 got side lined !.
It was in its correct set and in use for a while before it had its window screen broken by I think a brick. It was swapped with the spare whilst it was repaired and became the spare it's self.
In service or on test?
Ah thank you. I never knew reason behind it being swapped.
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TP02 did not work in passenger service with 12802.
First run in passenger service:
20.05.2021
68027/TP02 (with DT 12814)
1F48 0554 Manchester Victoria-Liverpool Lime Street.
First run in passenger service:
20.05.2021
68027/TP02 (with DT 12814)
1F48 0554 Manchester Victoria-Liverpool Lime Street.
It was parked up at Crewe with another set.
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23.09.2024
68027 0Z68 1217 Leicester LIP-Loughborough Brush
DRS operated.
68027 0Z68 1217 Leicester LIP-Loughborough Brush
DRS operated.
Peter Sarf
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I wonder - gone there for exhaust/silencer modifications or to pick something up ?.
Light engine and was planned to arrive via reversal at Toton but looks to have skipped that !.
Realtime Trains | 0Z68 1217 Leicester L.I.P. to Loughborough Brush | 23/09/2024
Real-time train running information for 0Z68 1217 departure from Leicester L.I.P. to Loughborough Brush on 23/09/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Maybe a repaint into the Europhoenix colours, plus some mods for them? Interesting times ahead.I wonder - gone there for exhaust/silencer modifications or to pick something up ?.
Light engine and was planned to arrive via reversal at Toton but looks to have skipped that !.
Realtime Trains | 0Z68 1217 Leicester L.I.P. to Loughborough Brush | 23/09/2024
Real-time train running information for 0Z68 1217 departure from Leicester L.I.P. to Loughborough Brush on 23/09/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.