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Transpennine Route Upgrade and Electrification updates
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LNW-GW Joint
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Do we know the status of the Stalybridge-Guide Bridge route?
Most services are 185s but I expect some 802s go that way into Piccadilly.
And do we have any confirmation that 802s as distinct from 769s are using electric mode on either route?
td97
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802s are still diesel from Manchester Victoria, even those that stop at Stalybridge. I think these are awaiting APCO to be commissioned (due November).
if so this seems another example of the railway looking a bit silly!
I'm sat on a 150 running Victoria to Stalybridge, so you decide where the silliness begins or ends.
well, to mention the very obvious, that couldn't run as electric...
Nicholas Lewis
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Well it certainly doesn't help make the case for more electrification when we can't use whats already available. Its not as if TPE drivers need to be trained in electric traction
Probably not as silly as an 802 minus a pantograph that's been unceremoniously removed by Stalybridge tunnel. Folks are human, best to wait for the equipment to be working! As for the 150s that's an issue with broken 769s.
There aren't enough 769s in the fleet to have on every Stalybridge/Southport/Oxford Road diagram. Some are diagrammed for 150/156. These diagrams are also interchangeable so a 769 can appear on a 150/156 diagram and vice versa. No silliness, just simple facts.....
Thanks for that. Dont really need the diagrams as I work them several times a week so know full well what they actually are as opposed to an out of date FOI request (yes they really are actually out of date ...)
I fully understand a few weeks between the lines being available and being used just to complete required testing etc..., but 4 or 5 months does seem rather long, this was my point.
RAIL mag #1015 has four pages on TRU, mostly familiar stuff.
Confirms that Stalybridge and Scout tunnels (not Standedge) will require track lowering and slab track. Stalybridge could be the biggest excavation ever undertaken in the UK within a tunnel for the purpose of track lowering. The drainage will be improved in Standedge and Morley tunnels.
A number of TWAOs will be required for parts of the work. Stalybridge to Diggle and Marsden to Hudds to be submitted in 2025, hoping to get approval in 2026 and 2027 respectively.
Confirms that Stalybridge and Scout tunnels (not Standedge) will require track lowering and slab track. Stalybridge could be the biggest excavation ever undertaken in the UK within a tunnel for the purpose of track lowering. The drainage will be improved in Standedge and Morley tunnels.
A number of TWAOs will be required for parts of the work. Stalybridge to Diggle and Marsden to Hudds to be submitted in 2025, hoping to get approval in 2026 and 2027 respectively.
Spartacus
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Noted planning applications for installing OHL equipment on the listed Batley Viaduct had appeared this morning.
Is it this, application 2024/44A/92145/E ?
It appears to be settling details of an application that was basically granted in 2022.
The following is quoted from the Kirklees planning site.
Edit: and indeed if you search on the site for ref 2022/90276 you can find the original application, approved spring 2022. One of the conditions is that work has to start within 3 years of the approval date.
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GRALISTAIR
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Still sounds like being worthy of an electronic copy download. Thanks for the heads up.
Spartacus
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That sounds like it, yes.
nr758123
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This ought to be a good news story.
However, look at it from the point of view from a passenger at the only intermediate station on this route, who might reasonably ask whether it means they will receive an improved service.
Northern's Victoria-Stalybridge service calling at Ashton was previously half hourly. Now it has been reduced to hourly with little prospect of the half hourly service being restored in the near future, and with a third of the reduced service routinely cancelled. All those years of disruption, with a much worse service at the end of it.
Nicholas Lewis
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Well thats par for many schemes causing significant disruption for years with the billboards telling us sorry for disruption but we are improving your service only for nothing to happen. This is where the industry needs to recognise that it keeps promoting multi 100 million pound schemes and then not deliver the outcomes promised why should the politicians support them in the future.
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Northbound Liverpool to Newcastle (and Hull) services in the December 24 timetable are now shown as pathed as Class 80x on electric between Liverpool & Stalybridge. It seems to achieve a 1 minute earlier arrival at Huddersfield, and the present 2 minute dwell becomes 3...
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Oddly, southbound services do not include this change in pathing. Similarly, no change is mentioned at Church Fenton.
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Realtime Trains | 9E05 0520 Liverpool Lime Street to Newcastle | 16/12/2024
Real-time train running information for 9E05 0520 departure from Liverpool Lime Street to Newcastle on 16/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Realtime Trains | 9M09 0902 Newcastle to Liverpool Lime Street | 16/12/2024
Real-time train running information for 9M09 0902 departure from Newcastle to Liverpool Lime Street on 16/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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ABB125
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Interesting that the planning application is being submitted by Atkins on behalf of Network Rail - do they not have in-house staff capable of doing planning applications, or is it another case of misguided "outsourcing everything is cheaper"?
Another reminder that discussion in this thread should be confined to project updates. If anyone wants to discuss anything else such as project costs in general then they should start a new thread elsewhere e.g.
High construction costs for rail in the UK - causes and solutions
I believe the high cost of rail construction projects is a key issue of railways in the UK, and I feel it is underdiscussed. I shall start by giving two examples of the problems caused by high costs. Network Rail is already talking about the possibility that lines may have to be abandoned due...
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superkev
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With the line shut Huddersfield to Heaton lodge over the August weekends has there been any visible progress to see.
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Kev. I have Robs Flickr saved, he's on here and his photos are excellent! Lots of progress to be seen!
Baker Viaduct Piling (New railway viaduct)
Progress update. Piling on the old Thornhill power station, tip site. For new railway viaduct. 06.08.24
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superkev
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Thanks. Most interesting. KevKev. I have Robs Flickr saved, he's on here and his photos are excellent! Lots of progress to be seen!
Baker Viaduct Piling (New railway viaduct)
Progress update. Piling on the old Thornhill power station, tip site. For new railway viaduct. 06.08.24
I've tended to feel a bit dismissive about the TRU website,
, but a discussion in another thread drew my attention to the fact that there's some stuff of interest on it. Mainly seen by going to the Leeds to York subsection of the Plans and Projects section.
Under Leeds to Thorpe Park and under Garforth to Church Fenton, since November last year, there have been month-by-month lists of work going on, similar to those that were posted in this thread when work between Church Fenton and York was at its height.
They include the news that the bridge over Osmondthorpe Lane, Leeds, is to be replaced over Christmas.
Under the heading Barkston Ash A162 Bridge there is a video of the recent bridge replacement.
, but a discussion in another thread drew my attention to the fact that there's some stuff of interest on it. Mainly seen by going to the Leeds to York subsection of the Plans and Projects section.
Under Leeds to Thorpe Park and under Garforth to Church Fenton, since November last year, there have been month-by-month lists of work going on, similar to those that were posted in this thread when work between Church Fenton and York was at its height.
They include the news that the bridge over Osmondthorpe Lane, Leeds, is to be replaced over Christmas.
Under the heading Barkston Ash A162 Bridge there is a video of the recent bridge replacement.
darylyates17
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Is the Miles Platting-Stalybridge electrified section in use at all yet?
Also feel free to move this part in the appropriate thread but when’s the Lostock-Wigan electrification due to be completed for?
Also feel free to move this part in the appropriate thread but when’s the Lostock-Wigan electrification due to be completed for?
Reported to be in use by 769s but not yet 802s.
End of this year (Boxing Day has been mentioned for going live).
GRALISTAIR
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January 2025 entry into service but completion in December this year.