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Well, I didn't expect that!
markymark2000
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In the tweet replies though, it's not quite as 'direct' or 'non stop' as the photo implies. It has a few stops in Newport and will have to have a stop at least once in Bristol to qualify for domestic driving hours. If there is more than 15 miles between stops, it has to run on EU driving hours with a tachograph.
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I haven't noticed a notification for a new local service in N&P. Maybe it will run under EU regs?
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Respectfully, I think you’re confusing driving hours regulations with the regulations for registering local bus services. The 15 mile limit is all about whether a service has to be registered or not. No doubt it will be revealed in due course if there are any other stops, or indeed if it’s registered or not, but on what we’ve seen so far it looks domestic to me. The non-stop point is about semantics surely. If it picks up at four stops in Newport then goes non-stop to Bristol, you’d have to take a very literal view of these things to suggest that they couldn’t describe it as being “non stop to Bristol”
markymark2000
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I put it in very simple terms, granted. Yes the 15 mile rule is for whether a service has to be registered or not but to use domestic hours, a route has to be a regular service route which almost always means it is registered (or runs under 'special regular service which is for worker or school buses')
British Domestic Hours for Passenger Vehicles: In-depth | Croner-i
The general rule is that drivers of passenger vehicles constructed or permanently adapted for carrying more than nine persons including the driver in the UK will need to comply with the EU rules on drivers’ hours. There are, however, a number of exemptions from this general rule. If such an...
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Presumably this Newport service is to use the bus and drivers between the 3 Avonmouth Co-Op staff bus journeys, like the 2 in Bournemouth, between school runs.
There is competition from the coaches of NX, and Megabus, and a train every 30 mins. There is also Newport's buses via Chepstow; free for Welsh and Bristol pass holders.
It will be interesting to see which of their package of routes continues long term.
There is competition from the coaches of NX, and Megabus, and a train every 30 mins. There is also Newport's buses via Chepstow; free for Welsh and Bristol pass holders.
It will be interesting to see which of their package of routes continues long term.
markymark2000
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NatEx and Megabus I don't think carry many between Newport and Bristol. Cardiff and Bristol on the other hand..... A good amount.
Those buses take forever though. An hour to Chepstow then an hour on the T7. Plus connection time. More than double the journey time of a direct bus.
My earlier points regarding driving hours, the route must be unregistered and using EU hours. The Transpora Facebook page gives much better details of the service and local journeys are prohibited. Interesting way of working.
Transpora Bus South West
workin 925… We’ll be running the all NEW fast and direct 925 route between Newport, & Bristol, from Monday 3rd July. A perfect alternative to your daily commute. Newport, Queensway Q1...
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workin 925…
We’ll be running the all NEW fast and direct 925 route between Newport, & Bristol, from Monday 3rd July. A perfect alternative to your daily commute.
Newport, Queensway Q1
Maindee Square
Beechwood Park
Celtic Manor/ICC
Bristol, Bond Street
(Can’t be used for local journeys within Newport - all customers must travel to and from Bristol)
Times and fares will be posted on the http://www.transporabus.co.uk website shortly.
Newport Lad
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That would fit into the 9 to 5 thing. Leaving Newport at 0730 (after it arrives off Coop) to get into Bristol for 9.
Leave Bristol at 1700 to get into Newport at 1830, driver break the out on the last Coop run
Rather than multi-quote bits of recent messages -
I'm aware that things like works shuttles for employees only (ones which are not registered, even under the 'works services' clause in the rules for registrations, school contracts that similarly aren't registered, and shuttle services running to a timetable for a special event that don't involve passengers paying separate fares, also qualify for 'domestic hours' if they are within the 50 Km limit.
Google Maps says that Bristol to Newport is 49 Km by the shortest suggested driving route (I don't know either place well enough to know whether what Google Maps considers to be the city centre is anywhere near the proposed terminus points, or what route is being proposed for this service.)
I'm not a lawyer or employed by any branch of the licensing or enforcement authorities, but it would seem that a regular service that's over 15 miles between stops but under 50 Km end to end would qualify for domestic driving hours rules, but would not need to be registered as a local bus service. Unless someone can think of a good reason why not.
I'm aware of one or two short National Express routes that are, or have been, operated under domestic hours rules, but not sure if they are / were registered as well.
I'm aware that things like works shuttles for employees only (ones which are not registered, even under the 'works services' clause in the rules for registrations, school contracts that similarly aren't registered, and shuttle services running to a timetable for a special event that don't involve passengers paying separate fares, also qualify for 'domestic hours' if they are within the 50 Km limit.
Google Maps says that Bristol to Newport is 49 Km by the shortest suggested driving route (I don't know either place well enough to know whether what Google Maps considers to be the city centre is anywhere near the proposed terminus points, or what route is being proposed for this service.)
I'm not a lawyer or employed by any branch of the licensing or enforcement authorities, but it would seem that a regular service that's over 15 miles between stops but under 50 Km end to end would qualify for domestic driving hours rules, but would not need to be registered as a local bus service. Unless someone can think of a good reason why not.
I'm aware of one or two short National Express routes that are, or have been, operated under domestic hours rules, but not sure if they are / were registered as well.
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Quite a gamble if there's a breakdown or the M4 is shut.........
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Timetable and fares have now been published
925 Newport to Bristol Express
www.transporabus.co.uk
925 between Newport & Bristol
Commuter express service
Newport to Bristol
Non stop from Celtic Manor / ICCMondays to Fridays
| Newport, Queensway Q1 | 0730 |
| Maindee Square | 0733 |
| Beechwood Park | 0736 |
| Celtic Manor/ICC | 0740 |
| Bristol, Bond Street | 0830 |
Bristol to Newport
Non stop to Celtic Manor / ICCMondays to Fridays
| Bristol, Bond Street | 1745 |
| Celtic Manor/ICC | 1825 |
| Beechwood Park | 1828 |
| Maindee Square | 1831 |
| Newport, Queensway | 1835 |
Service Disruption
There are currently no disruptions to this service.
Single
7.00
Return
10.00
Weekly
35.00
Ten-trips
40.00
EnviroExplorer
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Took a ride on the Bournemouth Coaster today, had Trident W501RBB all to myself on the first journey of the day, which I can’t complain about though not good for revenue of course.
Some general observations having rode the More Beach Breezer offering straight after the Transpora Coaster, none of these meant as criticism.
-At key timing points both More and Transpora have their timetables in clear view, both advertising fares and times which can’t be knocked.
-At intermediate stops it didn’t seem like any had timetables for the Transpora offering, though admittedly there is space in the existing cases.
-No real difference in appearance of the vehicles being used, both clean and tidy inside and out.
-Interior branding and next stop audio featuring on the More offering though I wouldn’t expect these with Transpora considering how new the service is though.
-Both drivers were friendly upon boarding, and had a good chat whilst waiting time (proving there isn’t any serious rivalry at stake here).
-Both buses had physical timetables available in the luggage rack.
-A range of fares offered by both operators which are comparably priced.
My one criticism would be that on this day, the Transpora offering could not be relied on per the timetable, with only one of the two buses scheduled actually operating. After 1515 it seemed no journeys operated. I assume this is down to a lack of drivers, which will undoubtedly be less of an issue in the coming weeks when the school holidays begin.
Overall I wish the Transpora team the best with this new venture, hopefully the reliability issues soon settle down and even a second open topper ?
Some general observations having rode the More Beach Breezer offering straight after the Transpora Coaster, none of these meant as criticism.
-At key timing points both More and Transpora have their timetables in clear view, both advertising fares and times which can’t be knocked.
-At intermediate stops it didn’t seem like any had timetables for the Transpora offering, though admittedly there is space in the existing cases.
-No real difference in appearance of the vehicles being used, both clean and tidy inside and out.
-Interior branding and next stop audio featuring on the More offering though I wouldn’t expect these with Transpora considering how new the service is though.
-Both drivers were friendly upon boarding, and had a good chat whilst waiting time (proving there isn’t any serious rivalry at stake here).
-Both buses had physical timetables available in the luggage rack.
-A range of fares offered by both operators which are comparably priced.
My one criticism would be that on this day, the Transpora offering could not be relied on per the timetable, with only one of the two buses scheduled actually operating. After 1515 it seemed no journeys operated. I assume this is down to a lack of drivers, which will undoubtedly be less of an issue in the coming weeks when the school holidays begin.
Overall I wish the Transpora team the best with this new venture, hopefully the reliability issues soon settle down and even a second open topper ?
As noted yesterday they have cancelled the service from 23rd August - I now realise this is the minimum notice period. I presume as per your observation it isn't making any money and/or they don't have the means to run it.
-Colly405-
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Actually, TRAVELWest have just tweeted that Transpora's 23, 25, 90, N2, X10 and X91 will no longer be in service from today, and that Big Lemon will provide the evening X91 today.
Looks like it's gone belly-up?
x.com
x.com
EDIT: Scored thru 16/7 as requested 15/7 to add actual text but cannot as the tweet has been deleted and wasn't able to copy the text at the time. Jist of tweet still as originally quoted.
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Transpora's Facebook page seems to have been removed...
EDIT:
Actually, TRAVELWest have just tweeted that Transpora's 23, 25, 90, N2, X10 and X91 will no longer be in service from today, and that Big Lemon will provide the evening X91 today.
Looks like it's gone belly-up?
x.com
Slightly off-topic I know, but presumably the Blackpool operation continues?
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EDIT: Scored through as unable to comply with request
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GusB
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Please make sure that any tweets or Facebook posts are accompanied by a link to the post and that the contents are quoted.
This not only ensures that there is a record should those posts be deleted, it is also a requirement of our forum rules that you do so.
This not only ensures that there is a record should those posts be deleted, it is also a requirement of our forum rules that you do so.
anthony263
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Heard they got another firm in Manchester taking them over
AwkwardHail
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What is your source for this?
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They appear to be running if bustimes.org is to be believed:
Callum15632
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Apparently running until end of service.
TheGrandWazoo
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Have we got a source for this?
Callum15632
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There was a source but it has since been removed for some reason but I do know that stagecoach are taking on the 25 from tomorrow.
TheGrandWazoo
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Ok. Travelwest have tweeted (16:48) that
Naturally a few comments along the lines of "what's happening tomorrow?"
We will have to see what happens. There's been suggestions of refinancing but whatever the truth is, we will need to be patient.
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It's back now, at https://www.facebook.com/TransporaBusSW/Transpora's Facebook page seems to have been removed...
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Transporabus South West Ltd is the new name for Altonian Coaches Ltd, as recorded on Companies House today - see https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/05184044/filing-history
Also of note is that Rhys Hand is no longer a Director of Altonian/Transpora SW as of July 8th, while Philip Higgs is no longer a Director of Transpora Group as of the same date (see https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13592429/filing-history ).
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Altonian Coaches is up before the Traffic Commissioner
From this week's Notices and Proceedings
From this week's Notices and Proceedings
Public Inquiry (89842) to be held at Jubilee House (Bristol), BS5 0GB, Croydon Street, Bristol, on 8
August 2024 commencing at 14:00 (Previous Publication2963)) Previous hearing on 27 June 2024
was adjourned.
PH1089686 SI
ALTONIAN COACHES LIMITED
Director(s): PHILIP KARL HIGGS, RHYS HAND
TRANSPORABUS, TO THE REAR OF 137 PARSON STREET, BEDMINSTER, BRISTOL, BS3
5RB
S17 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 17 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act
1981)
S28 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 28 (The Transport Act 1985)
S26 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 26 (The Transport Act 1985)
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