Transport for Wales using mid-cheshire line?

[mememachine175]

Is there any truth behind TfW no longer using the route to Manchester via WBQ? It's on Wikipedia with no sources cited so I'm prepared to take it with a pinch of salt but it's entirely inconceivable.

TfW drivers sign the route, the 0336 CTR-MIA runs non-stop on the mid-cheshire reversing at MAN.

If anyone could enlighten me further that would be great!

 

[PHILIPE]

That route can be difficult also due to pathing between Stockport and Mancheter Picc. It is often used for Engineering diverions on Sundays but not on Saturdays in recent times.

 

[cle]

This would be for the Llandudno service? Fine for Chester and beyond, if not quite slow (I'd assume a Stockport call - any others like Alty?) - but the stations to Warrington and Chester would critically miss this service (covid aside) - would something else run from Victoria to cover these calls?

 

[PHILIPE]

Is there any truth behind TfW no longer using the route to Manchester via WBQ? It's on Wikipedia with no sources cited so I'm prepared to take it with a pinch of salt but it's entirely inconceivable.

TfW drivers sign the route, the 0336 CTR-MIA runs non-stop on the mid-cheshire reversing at MAN.

If anyone could enlighten me further that would be great!
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1D49 0032 Manchester Picc to Chester runs this route also. Have you got a link to the Wiki site ?

 

[158841]

RTT has all services as normal via Bank Quay. I’d be very surprised if this gets re-routed as that corridor is extremely busy at all times of day, happily now helped with the Northern service from Victoria

 

[Eccles1983]

No chance it gets routed for the mid Cheshire line solely.

Only one link at chester signs it. No Junction or Holyhead drivers sign it at all.

It's nonsense.

 

[rg177]

Considering the excuses given with not providing a second train per hour from Greenbank and Knutsford to Manchester due to pathing etc, I don't think randomly sending the TfW service that way would go down well unless it was going to pick up some of those calls.

Additionally I don't think Runcorn East would appreciate losing the vast majority of its service. You'd need to then stop the Leeds-Chester pretty much everywhere Warrington-Chester as per the peaks.

 

[Doveymain158]

Victoria has been mentioned also complete nonsense. Just reverse the TPE Airport-Newcastle and Airport-Middlesbrough in the trainshed that would free up 2 wasted paths. Why does TPE need to serve Piccadilly and Victoria on the same service dull idea.

 

[PHILIPE]

I don't think TFW have Access Rights for the Mid-Cheshire stations. A bureaucratic exercise with the Regulator would have to be undertaken before any implementation could happen

 

[mememachine175]

1D49 0032 Manchester Picc to Chester runs this route also. Have you got a link to the Wiki site ?

Chester–Warrington line - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[mememachine175]

Considering the excuses given with not providing a second train per hour from Greenbank and Knutsford to Manchester due to pathing etc, I don't think randomly sending the TfW service that way would go down well unless it was going to pick up some of those calls.

Additionally I don't think Runcorn East would appreciate losing the vast majority of its service. You'd need to then stop the Leeds-Chester pretty much everywhere Warrington-Chester as per the peaks.

It did strike me as unlikely.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Chester–Warrington line - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Wiki article linked doesn't mention anything about rerouting services from the Warrington BQ route to the CLC via Northwich.
I wouldn't trust the article very far as it mentions Tier 1 electrification and has a number of factual errors (eg the Warrington route was not built by the LNWR, and northwards from Warrington was not the GJ etc).
The link to the similar article on the Mid Cheshire line makes no mention of the diversion either.
It does mention electrification again, and has the absurd idea that the Northwich route was once one of the busiest double-track lines in the UK.

 

[The Planner]

I would suggest its equine excrement, there are too many constraints to make it work.

 

[DC2001]

The Wiki article linked doesn't mention anything about rerouting services from the Warrington BQ route to the CLC via Northwich.
I wouldn't trust the article very far as it mentions Tier 1 electrification and has a number of factual errors (eg the Warrington route was not built by the LNWR, and northwards from Warrington was not the GJ etc).
The link to the similar article on the Mid Cheshire line makes no mention of the diversion either.
It does mention electrification again, and has the absurd idea that the Northwich route was once one of the busiest double-track lines in the UK.

I edited that section of the article last night as it was unsourced and there is no suggestion that it is correct- that's why there is no mention of TfW services rerouting via the Mid-Cheshire line now.

 

[30907]

I would suggest its equine excrement, there are too many constraints to make it work.

Bovine, surely?

 

[cle]

The Wiki article linked doesn't mention anything about rerouting services from the Warrington BQ route to the CLC via Northwich.
I wouldn't trust the article very far as it mentions Tier 1 electrification and has a number of factual errors (eg the Warrington route was not built by the LNWR, and northwards from Warrington was not the GJ etc).
The link to the similar article on the Mid Cheshire line makes no mention of the diversion either.
It does mention electrification again, and has the absurd idea that the Northwich route was once one of the busiest double-track lines in the UK.

I think Manchester to Sale/Alty was once very busy, of course. Definitely the busiest single commuter line in the north. Beyond Alty, not more than other lines.