TheGrandWazoo
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You might be in luck as the Gwynedd website says https://www.gwynedd.llyw.cymru/en/Residents/Parking-roads-and-travel/Travel-passes/1bws-Ticket.aspx
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markymark2000
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Only valid on the T12 between Wrexham and Chirk.
burns20
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The 1Bws ticket is NOT valid on the following services 36, T12 Machynlleth-Chirk, T36 and T37 as these are PowysBws Contracts
The 1Bws ticket is valid on the 33/533 to and from Dinas Mawdwwy (incl Sat jnys from Machynlleth) and X29 from Machynlleth to Tywyn as these are Gwynedd Contracts
That's fair enough - although Dinas Mawddwy, Mallwyd and Aberangell are in Gwynedd. Surprised Powys pay for a contract to connect these communities to Machynlleth.
I have travelled most of north west Wales but want to fill in the gaps:
- Machnylleth - Dinas Mawddwy - Dolgellau
- Bryncrug-Abergynolwyn
- Harlech-Portmadog / Maentwrog (my Express Motors bus broke down and I took a taxi!)
- Porthmadog- Borth y Gest (no desire to continue to Morfa Mychan)
- Trefor-Nefyn
But not until the clocks go forward next year now and logistically challenging. But you get the odd day where the weather is better in NW Wales than anywhere else!
Sorry, way off topic!
nwales58
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T2 via Criccieth and no T22 yet - are people in Garndolbenmaen and Penmorfa aware that they have no bus service whatsoever from a week on Monday onwards???
The journey planner does not even have the evening 1 services in, presumably because it was supposed to be replaced by T22 even though the download timetable has no end date.
These are actual changes showing on timetables on Gwynedd's web site. They have start and end dates so I assume they are meant to happen.
traveline.cymru journey planner is not consistent, e.g. it still shows 39 rather than the new service.
The journey planner does not even have the evening 1 services in, presumably because it was supposed to be replaced by T22 even though the download timetable has no end date.
These are actual changes showing on timetables on Gwynedd's web site. They have start and end dates so I assume they are meant to happen.
traveline.cymru journey planner is not consistent, e.g. it still shows 39 rather than the new service.
nwales58
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T22 still does not exist.
Since the T2 diversion to replace the missed part of the T2 a re-instated 1 appears in gwynedd.llyw.cymru timetables with 5 services Monday-Saturday. Despite already having started it still does not appear on traveline.cymru in timetables nor the journey planner nor in short notice changes.
Since the T2 diversion to replace the missed part of the T2 a re-instated 1 appears in gwynedd.llyw.cymru timetables with 5 services Monday-Saturday. Despite already having started it still does not appear on traveline.cymru in timetables nor the journey planner nor in short notice changes.
WelshBuses93
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TrawsCymru T22 commencing in February 2024
news.tfw.wales
Introducing the new TrawsCymru T22 route
Transport for Wales and Cyngor Gwynedd are delighted to announce the latest brand new TrawsCymru service will commence operation in February 2024.
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nwales58
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Good, bus on display in Porthmadog on 09/02/2024 according to that page.
Anyone seen a timetable yet?
markymark2000
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New T22 timetable is now live and it's about as tragic as we thought it would be for connections between the bus and trains.
Link to the main TrawsCymru page. To download the timetable either change the date or go to 'select a PDF' and download the PDF there)
traws.cymru
Monday-Friday, heading north, the only connection is the 05:40 from Porthmadog which links into the 06:24 train from Blaenau. Other trips have a connection of up to 55 minutes between bus and train.
Monday-Friday heading south, all trips have a connection between 40 and 50 minutes
Saturdays heading north, you have the 05:40 from Porthmadog which links into the 06:24 train from Blaenau. You also have the 14:00 bus from Porthmadog which links to the 14:56 train from Blaenau. Other trips are a 40-55 minute connection
Saturdays heading south, all trips have a connection between 40 and 50 minutes.
Sundays heading north, 14:00 bus from Ysbyty Alltwen Hospital provides a connection onto the 14:56 train from Blaenau. Otherwise be prepared for a long wait.
Sundays heading south, no connections at all except the last train of the day, arrives into Blaenau 20:16, bus leaves at 20:45. Other trips, expect a connection of up to 2 hours.
What makes it worse is on Sundays, there is a 17:17 train arrival, the bus leaves at 17:15! TrawsCymru was supposedly set up to be a distance network filling in gaps with trains but done to provide connections with trains.
Link to the main TrawsCymru page. To download the timetable either change the date or go to 'select a PDF' and download the PDF there)
T22 - Blaenau Ffestiniog to Caernarfon
Timetable for T22 - Blaenau Ffestiniog to Caernarfon
traws.cymru
Monday-Friday, heading north, the only connection is the 05:40 from Porthmadog which links into the 06:24 train from Blaenau. Other trips have a connection of up to 55 minutes between bus and train.
Monday-Friday heading south, all trips have a connection between 40 and 50 minutes
Saturdays heading north, you have the 05:40 from Porthmadog which links into the 06:24 train from Blaenau. You also have the 14:00 bus from Porthmadog which links to the 14:56 train from Blaenau. Other trips are a 40-55 minute connection
Saturdays heading south, all trips have a connection between 40 and 50 minutes.
Sundays heading north, 14:00 bus from Ysbyty Alltwen Hospital provides a connection onto the 14:56 train from Blaenau. Otherwise be prepared for a long wait.
Sundays heading south, no connections at all except the last train of the day, arrives into Blaenau 20:16, bus leaves at 20:45. Other trips, expect a connection of up to 2 hours.
What makes it worse is on Sundays, there is a 17:17 train arrival, the bus leaves at 17:15! TrawsCymru was supposedly set up to be a distance network filling in gaps with trains but done to provide connections with trains.
Llandudno
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I reckon the person planning the bus timetable must own the cafe nearest to the railway station at Blaenau Ffestiniog!New T22 timetable is now live and it's about as tragic as we thought it would be for connections between the bus and trains.
Link to the main TrawsCymru page. To download the timetable either change the date or go to 'select a PDF' and download the PDF there)
T22 - Blaenau Ffestiniog to Caernarfon
Timetable for T22 - Blaenau Ffestiniog to Caernarfon
Monday-Friday, heading north, the only connection is the 05:40 from Porthmadog which links into the 06:24 train from Blaenau. Other trips have a connection of upto 55 minutes between bus and train.
Monday-Friday heading south, all trips have a connection between 40 and 50 minutes
Saturdays heading north, you have the 05:40 from Porthmadog which links into the 06:24 train from Blaenau. You also have the 14:00 bus from Porthmadog which links to the 14:56 train from Blaenau. Other trips are a 40-55 minute connection
Saturdays heading south, all trips have a connection between 40 and 50 minutes.
Sundays heading north, 14:00 bus from Ysbyty Alltwen Hospital provides a connection onto the 14:56 train from Blaenau. Otherwise be prepared for a long wait.
Sundays heading south, no connections at all except the last train of the day, arrives into Blaenau 20:16, bus leaves at 20:45. Other trips, expect a connection of upto 2 hours.
What makes it worse is on Sundays, there is a 17:17 train arrival, the bus leaves at 17:15! Given TrawsCymru was supposedly set up to be an distance network filling in gaps with trains but done to provide connections with trains, a toddler could have come up with a better timetable than the supposed professionals at TFW. Wales is being failed by incompetent staff within Transport for Wales.
sturfc
Member
Apologies if I have missed this, where are they running the T22 from, Porthmadog?
markymark2000
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Yes. All running from Porthmadog.
It's very regrettable that TfW seems to be unable to shake off the siloed thinking that has afflicted most combined bus and rail companies since before the days of the Big 4.New T22 timetable is now live and it's about as tragic as we thought it would be for connections between the bus and trains.
Link to the main TrawsCymru page. To download the timetable either change the date or go to 'select a PDF' and download the PDF there)
T22 - Blaenau Ffestiniog to Caernarfon
Timetable for T22 - Blaenau Ffestiniog to Caernarfon
What makes it worse is on Sundays, there is a 17:17 train arrival, the bus leaves at 17:15! Given TrawsCymru was supposedly set up to be an distance network filling in gaps with trains but done to provide connections with trains, a toddler could have come up with a better timetable than the supposed professionals at TFW. Wales is being failed by incompetent staff within Transport for Wales.
tram21
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Does anyone know anything about Lloyd's Coaches changes as quite a few registrations have been cancelled from 11th February? Trying to plan a trip 
markymark2000
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May be worth mods splitting this into a new thread. Some of the changes look like they may be wrongly categorised. Some cancellations like the 33 are due to tender changes. #FflecsifiedDoes anyone know anything about Lloyd's Coaches changes as quite a few registrations have been cancelled from 11th February? Trying to plan a trip
tram21
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Sorry I did put this into the wrong thread- sorry!!
Thanks I'll just wait until they've been announced by the operator
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TrawsCymru T22 connections
New T22 timetable is now live and it's about as tragic as we thought it would be for connections between the bus and trains. Link to the main TrawsCymru page. To download the timetable either change the date or go to 'select a PDF' and download the PDF there)...
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splashoutradio
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It looks like Lloyds Coaches are in the process of updating the timetables on their website.
So far, the T2 & T3/T3C have been uploaded (valid from 12 Feb), with the T12 due to have a new timetable from 18 March.
lloydscoaches.com
So far, the T2 & T3/T3C have been uploaded (valid from 12 Feb), with the T12 due to have a new timetable from 18 March.
Lloyds Coaches | Bus Timetables | Call Us: 01654 702 100
Lloyds Coaches Wales | Quality Bus & Coach services Wales | Coach Hire Wales | Local Bus Services based in Machynlleth Mid Wales | Call Us: 01654 702 100
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markymark2000
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T12 looks like it's being split somehow as Lloyds have cancelled the Welshpool to Oswestry and Oswestry to Wrexham registrations.
Been brewing behind the scenes for a while now.
Suggested Lloyds will only operate one AM working to Welshpool and otherwise will just be on Machynlleth to Newtown. Tanat Valley will come off the Newtown to Machynlleth section and operate the rest of the service, bar the one Welshpool trip if that's correct (lets see what a timetable will show in the near future).
Lloyds have had issues operating the registered route between Oswestry and Wrexham, not operating via Gobowen and St Martins (Moors Bank) and doing the old route. This due to another operator (Arriva its assumed) objecting the change in September due to their 2 (Cymru) and 53 (Midlands) services. Tanat Valley have not had the same issue and operate via Gobowen, so very bizarre.
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Lloyds Coaches, Machynlleth
Slightly adjacent to the topic but there is more detail of changes now on Lloyds website. The changes to the T2 and T3 look fairly minor, although the odd T3C that went through to Wrexham looks to have gone. Other changes in the area see the replacement of the X29 and 28 Mach-Tywyn-Dolgellau by...
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markymark2000
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Just for completeness, Lloyds have given full information on the changes to the T2/T28 and T3 services, some things which weren't previously picked up on when the timetables first went out.
lloydscoaches.com
Service Changes from Monday 12th February 2024 -
From Monday 12th February 2024 there will be changes to services 28, 29, 30, 33, 33A, 34, 34A, 35, 541, G23, T2, T28 and X29. Lloyds Coaches have no control over timetables, these are dictated by the Tendering Authority, for example Transport for Wales or your local council. For details of the...
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TheSel
Member
Nice to see TfW doing a great job of co-ordinating Road and Rail services by ... er ... no longer serving railway stations. 
markymark2000
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To the train station, no. To the village, there will still be the T2, T28 and 512
TheGrandWazoo
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Nice to see TfW doing a great job of co-ordinating Road and Rail services by ... er ... no longer serving railway stations.
I guess that there's very, very few people interchanging from one mode to another at Bow Street. If you're heading from the North to Aber...you'd stay on the bus. If you're going towards Shrewsbury, you'd be better either going to Machynlleth or to Aberystwyth where there are at least some facilities.
Ruabon is a bit more of a question but may share some of the same characteristics with its proximity to Wrexham
Llandudno
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I wonder how much of the £8m cost of building Bow Street station was spent on the bus ‘interchange’?
Yep, and most buses serving Llandudno Junction no longer call into the ‘Platform 5’ at the station!Nice to see TfW doing a great job of co-ordinating Road and Rail services by ... er ... no longer serving railway stations.
Although most of the services boycotting the station are Arriva commercial services which miss out the station to save a couple of minutes since the introduction of 20mph speed limits…!
anthony263
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If you think that's bad wait until you start seeing the bus retendering farce starting on 1st April. The industry is in for a shake up .Nice to see TfW doing a great job of co-ordinating Road and Rail services by ... er ... no longer serving railway stations.
splashoutradio
Member
Whilst it isn't the most passenger friendly of options, in the past when a number of T3 journeys omitted Ruabon station, I've had to walk from the station to the bus stop on the main road, which is only takes about a minute.Nice to see TfW doing a great job of co-ordinating Road and Rail services by ... er ... no longer serving railway stations.
nwales58
Member
Retiming for punctuality is good, but:
The run up the road at Criccieth is still possible but needs the T2 absolutely on time.
T3 no longer serving Maelor hospital is a nuisance (and the T22 only as far as Caernarfon also is a nuisance as Ysbyty Gwynedd and Bangor mean a change adding 20 minutes and uncertainty).
Edit: However, T3-northbound train at Wrexham General is now better as the T3 uses Mold Road, 14' northbound. Southbound into T3 is a 30' wait.
One T3C continuing to Dolgellau in the morning solves the overlooked Coleg flow. But no corresponding through or connecting service in the afternoon ... or is the school days T3C 1525 from Bala intended, after going up to the school, to wait at the high street and connect out of the T3 at 1539?
So the fragile, but often works outside summer, 5 minute-ish southbound connection from T2 into Cambrian Coast trains at Porthmadog is broken.
The run up the road at Criccieth is still possible but needs the T2 absolutely on time.
T3 no longer serving Maelor hospital is a nuisance (and the T22 only as far as Caernarfon also is a nuisance as Ysbyty Gwynedd and Bangor mean a change adding 20 minutes and uncertainty).
Edit: However, T3-northbound train at Wrexham General is now better as the T3 uses Mold Road, 14' northbound. Southbound into T3 is a 30' wait.
One T3C continuing to Dolgellau in the morning solves the overlooked Coleg flow. But no corresponding through or connecting service in the afternoon ... or is the school days T3C 1525 from Bala intended, after going up to the school, to wait at the high street and connect out of the T3 at 1539?
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