Trenitalia to run to St Pancras?

[NLC1072]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurostar

"On 6 August 2010, Trenitalia announced its desire to eventually run high-speed trains from Italy to the United Kingdom, using its newly ordered high-speed trains. The trains will be delivered from 2013"


Anybody else know any more?

thanks!

 

[MCR247]

That exagerrates what is said slightly!

ITALY: Trenitalia has selected a joint bid from Bombardier Transportation and AnsaldoBreda for a contract to supply 50 high speed trainsets.

The board met on August 5 to approve the order, which should see a prototype completed within 300 days and entry into service by 2013.

As well as getting a higher technical score than Alstom's rival submission, the joint bid came in cheaper at €30·8m rather than €35m per eight-car trainset.

'A good race ended with high scores by both competitors', said FS Group Chief executive Mauro Moretti, who has been critical of the quality of trains delivered in Italy in recent years (RG 7.10 p66). He added that the order was an important milestone. 'This shows that there are various ways to buy trains: go to the dealer and buy sight unseen, or, as we did, strongly support innovation.'

Derived from Bombardier's Zefiro platform as supplied to China but heavily adapted to meet European TSIs, the 200 m long non-articulated trains will have distributed traction and be suitable for running at up to 400 km/h, although the planned maximum speed in revenue service will be 360 km/h.

They will have space for 600 passengers and be suitable for working across borders; Moretti says Trenitalia is looking towards 'the German block, the French block, and also Great Britain and Spain.'

Just an aspiration, whereas wiki makes it sound like a done deal, and new trains were ordered specifically for it

 

[Chris999999]

The chances of Trenitalia running trains into St Pancras in 2 years time is nil.

The chances of Trenitalia running trains into St Pancras in 20 years time is also nil.

The problems they have with running trains to their neighbouring countries are massive - eg TGVs from France being replaced by buses ( I recently suffered from this), sleepers from Paris not available (I got caught by this 3 years ago and I believe it has got worse), no trains to Slovenia (well there is apparently a sleeper).

In Europe only Greece is worse with no trains anywhere.

The next time I travel to Italy by train I will go via Germany/Austria/Switzerland and on one of those countries trains.

 

[RichmondCommu]

The chances of Trenitalia running trains into St Pancras in 2 years time is nil.

The chances of Trenitalia running trains into St Pancras in 20 years time is also nil.

The problems they have with running trains to their neighbouring countries are massive - eg TGVs from France being replaced by buses ( I recently suffered from this), sleepers from Paris not available (I got caught by this 3 years ago and I believe it has got worse), no trains to Slovenia (well there is apparently a sleeper).

In Europe only Greece is worse with no trains anywhere.

The next time I travel to Italy by train I will go via Germany/Austria/Switzerland and on one of those countries trains.

Just out of interest, why the lack of through services?

 

[Schnellzug]

The chances of Trenitalia running trains into St Pancras in 2 years time is nil.
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If they're buying them from AnsaldoBreda, certainly.

 

[Ze Random One]

The artesia services tend to get caught up in a lot of strikes and political manoeuvrings.
At the moment there's a strike on tuesday affecting some of the TGVs, and a strike by italian maintenance workers has reduced the availability of sleeper cars (they are only offering 4/6-berth couchettes) according to the website.
Trenitailia in particular appear to be trying to make life difficult for SNCF, because SNCF bought a stake in NTV, the new high-speed open access operator hoping to start services in Italy soon. It appears, to a barely informed outsider, that there's quite a few dirty tricks going on from FS and RFI (the infrastructure manager) against NTV and SNCF, added to a lack of operational competence from FS.

A quick scan through of http://www.seat61.com/news.htm will give you a run down of the demise of the artesia service

 

[gordonthemoron]

Trains from germany to Italy are DB/ÖBB EuroCity during the day and a joint venture between DB and a small Italian TOC for night trains, although some do use FS rolling stock

 

[Aictos]

So come 2013, there's talk of high speed trains to and from the UK being provided by DB, Eurostar, Trenitalia - where's the betting that Thalys and SNCF will also be interested in providing such services.

Thalys providing high speed services to the Netherlands and SNCF providing high speed services to France.

 

[Lad Brookes]

The chances of Trenitalia running trains into St Pancras in 2 years time is nil.

The chances of Trenitalia running trains into St Pancras in 20 years time is also nil.

The problems they have with running trains to their neighbouring countries are massive - eg TGVs from France being replaced by buses ( I recently suffered from this), sleepers from Paris not available (I got caught by this 3 years ago and I believe it has got worse), no trains to Slovenia (well there is apparently a sleeper).

In Europe only Greece is worse with no trains anywhere.

The next time I travel to Italy by train I will go via Germany/Austria/Switzerland and on one of those countries trains.

There is a sleeper to Slovenia, which runs between Venice and Budapest, via Ljubljana and Zagreb. I believe it's the only train that calls at Villa Opicina station, which is the last station before the border, after the line diverges from the line to Trieste.

I entered Italy across the border by Ventimiglia, on an all stations stopper from Nice. The Paris-Nice sleeper was in the Thomas Cook timetable as running through to Ventimiglia (stopping at limited stations) but it came up as a Nice terminator in all online timetables.

What has happened to the through TGVs?

 

[radamfi]

I'm booked on the morning TGV from Paris to Milan on 16 October. Is this likely to run?

 

[gordonthemoron]

where's the betting that Thalys and SNCF will also be interested in providing such services.

Thalys providing high speed services to the Netherlands and SNCF providing high speed services to France.

Thalys runs between Paris and Brussels/Ostend/Liege/Amsterdam/Cologne and is a joint venture between SNCF/SNCB/NS/DB. Since SNCF already part own E*, I can't see them competing with themselves

 

[WestCoast]

Thalys runs between Paris and Brussels/Ostend/Liege/Amsterdam/Cologne and is a joint venture between SNCF/SNCB/NS/DB. Since SNCF already part own E*, I can't see them competing with themselves

Yeah, Thalys also 'competes' with DB directly on Brussels - Cologne, which is an interesting set-up.

 

[gordonthemoron]

Yeah, Thalys also 'competes' with DB directly on Brussels - Cologne, which is an interesting set-up.

sure is, nice ICEs versus pokey Thalys sets

 

[185]

no trains to Slovenia

Train to Trieste
Hill Tram to Villa Opicina
Arriva bus (!) to Sezana the border station
Train onwards into Slovenia

.....a pain in the backside, but the tram was fun.