Trivia: Direct journeys you can make on a single bus that changes service en-route

[PTR 444]

Morebus route 3 (Poole - Wimborne) changes to a route 4 service (Wimborne - Poole) and vice versa using the same bus. This makes through journeys from Corfe Mullen to Merley possible on a single bus (and possibly even a single seat), albeit with the route number changing mid-journey. Are there many other examples of legitimate journeys of this kind that can be made using the same bus on two separate routes?

 

[WibbleWobble]

The Morebus 16 and 17 work the same way, to allow journeys from Westbourne to Winton, the university* and Wallisdown (or vice versa)

* - augmenting the U4, particularly during evenings, weekends and uni vacations.

 

[aliceh]

Bournemouth seems to be the best place for it - when they took over from Yellow Buses, More brought back the interworking between the 2 and 4 (soon to be 12 and 22) to allow journeys from Winton and Muscliffe to Bournemouth Hospital, Iford and Boscombe.

 

[Djb1]

A large number of KLCHs (Kirkby Lonsdale Coach Hire) 81/82 (Lancaster to Kirkby Lonsdale) become a 581 (to settle) then a 580 (to skipton)

 

[Gaelan]

In the past (ie last year), St Andrews had bus routes 99A/B/C/D that travelled to Leuchars and Dundee, then made a loop around town. The town circulars have now been split into the separate routes 90/91/93, but at evening/weekend times you still sometimes get a 99 that arrives into St Andrews and becomes a 91/93, so you can make a through journey - often, you see people get off the bus, look around, and get back on with a bemused expression. I’ve made a habit of asking the driver if the bus turns into a 91/93 when I board at those times now.

 

[Simon75]

Since the introduction of the 6 Crewe to Leighton Hospital, you can travel from Leighton Hospital to Hanley, as ith 6 changes to a 3 to Hanley

 

[miklcct]

Some journeys of morebus X6 works as X3 south of Ringwood.

 

[vlad]

Not that anyone would want to do this journey in full as you end up back where you started - but First PMT run the 3A from Hanley to Kidsgrove, where it changes to the 4A and returns to Hanley via Newcastle. Going the other way the number changes in Talke.

 

[bussnapperwm]

To the extreme, Arriva Wednesfield, when they had the tender, interworked the 208 (Dudley - Merry Hill), 82 (Dudley - Wolverhampton), 545 (Wolverhampton - Bilston) and 229 (Bilston - Dudley).

Obviously separate fares applied, but I've done the 82 onto 208 leg of that before

 

[Peter0124]

Say you wanted to do one of these journeys with a free bus pass, what would you say to the driver if you wanted to go somewhere on a different number

 

[northwichcat]

Alternate 88 Altrincham to Knutsford via Wilmslow services, continue as 89s to Northwich. (Operated by D&G Bus).

 

[341o2]

Bournemouth seems to be the best place for it - when they took over from Yellow Buses, More brought back the interworking between the 2 and 4 (soon to be 12 and 22) to allow journeys from Winton and Muscliffe to Bournemouth Hospital, Iford and Boscombe.

some journeys on the 119 continue as the 193 from New Milton to Barton on Sea.
Also one duty does two journeys on the 112, before changing to the C33
some enter service on the 5/a, doing a single journey, then changing to the 1 group

 

[43055]

Most routes on Midland Classic/Diamond EM interwork in some way. These are advertised:
All 31 Litchfield circulars come from/go to Burton as the X12
2025 Uttoxeter - Burton 401 continues to East Midlands Airport as the 2120 route 9

Also some unadvertised through working you can have the following:
406 Uttoxeter Local is normally comes to/from Burton as a 401/402/403 before returning to Burton
2 Stapenhill circular normally continues as the 10 to the train station and Acorn Inn (weekdays). On Saturdays the 10 is interworked with the 12 to Litchfield.
19 1245 ex Burton changes into the 129 at Ashby to Loughborough and same in reverse for the 1305 129 ex Loughborough

trentbarton also now have routes 31/32/33/34 around Ilkeston which interwork across the town and head to Hucknall, Mansfield and Derby.
Sixes 6.4 and 6X also interwork changing numbers around Belper with the former running via the A6 and Duffield and the latter via the A38 on the way to/from Derby.

 

[WibbleWobble]

some journeys on the 119 continue as the 193 from New Milton to Barton on Sea.
Also one duty does two journeys on the 112, before changing to the C33
some enter service on the 5/a, doing a single journey, then changing to the 1 group

That is just generic interworking, not through direct journeys.

One other example I thought of is the Swindon Bus Co 11 and 15 - 15 changes at Oakhurst to the 11, and the 11 changes at Orbital Shopping Park to the 11, creating one huge loop around the north of Swindon.

 

[168lover]

In the land of Bucks/Berks you can do a 5 and a quater hour circular tour of the surrounding area on the same bus by:
Taking a 103 High Wycombe to Slough service
Stay on the bus as it would form a 106/107 service through to Amersham
Then the same bus becomes a 106/107 back to Slough
Finally the same bus becomes a 103 back to High Wycombe.

Physically and mentally wearing for the poor driver who has to do the same thing in one hit.

 

[PTR 444]

That is just generic interworking, not through direct journeys.

But surely one could make a through journey if they just stayed on the bus (assuming the driver lets them do that).

 

[rg177]

Some Stagecoach 30/31 services in Newcastle continue across Slatyford and head back into town as a 36 and vice versa.

 

[pinkmarie80]

Some Stagecoach 30/31 services in Newcastle continue across Slatyford and head back into town as a 36 and vice versa.

That would explain why when searching the Stagecoach site for the 30 timetable it comes up with the 36…

 

[341o2]

That is just generic interworking, not through direct journeys.

One other example I thought of is the Swindon Bus Co 11 and 15 - 15 changes at Oakhurst to the 11, and the 11 changes at Orbital Shopping Park to the 11, creating one huge loop around the north of Swindon.

Doesn't that apply to the op then?

 

[LUYMun]

Until earlier this month, buses that operated the 4 or 5 (Farnham to Aldershot) would interwork and change to the 14 (Aldershot to North Town) mid-route at Aldershot, with acceptance of through ticketing.

 

[JD2168]

Until October 2022 you could do this with the First 29 & X54 which changed over at Harthill.

 

[WM Bus]

On Sundays Chipping Norton to Solihull on the Stagecoach X20/50. This used to be a single Birmingham to Solihull X50 service ran by Diamond/Johnsons until it was split last year.
Monday to Saturdays Wolverhampton to Shrewsbury on the 9/436.
When i've been on these two in the past drivers just let people stay on the bus to travel through.

 

[Simon75]

Say you wanted to do one of these journeys with a free bus pass, what would you say to the driver if you wanted to go somewhere on a different number

Usually the driver will as to scan your pass on each journey

 

[WibbleWobble]

But surely one could make a through journey if they just stayed on the bus (assuming the driver lets them do that).

No because a separate fare is payable (or ticket / pass needs to be rescanned). There are some occasions that a change of bus is needed.

 

[GusB]

But surely one could make a through journey if they just stayed on the bus (assuming the driver lets them do that).

No because a separate fare is payable (or ticket / pass needs to be rescanned). There are some occasions that a change of bus is needed.

I'm not referring to any specific service here, but surely it depends on whether or not through fares are available. If the route goes from A to C and changes route number at B, but tickets are available from A to C, then passes would only be scanned at the beginning of the journey.

 

[WibbleWobble]

I'm not referring to any specific service here, but surely it depends on whether or not through fares are available. If the route goes from A to C and changes route number at B, but tickets are available from A to C, then passes would only be scanned at the beginning of the journey.

Exactly, in the case of the Morebus 3 and 4, tickets across Wimborne (so "B" in your example) are not available.

They are on the 16 and 17, where "B" in that example is Bournemouth.

 

[341o2]

Maybe off topic, but there was the former South Lancashire trolleybus system which had one route from Atherton to Farnworth, which although a single route, through tickets were not available, and passengers had to rebook at Swinton

 

[kijeta]

Nick Maddy has through-running between 34 and 40 in Ross-on-Wye. However, through tickets are only permitted from 34 to 40; two seperate tickets are required for 40 then 34.

 

[miklcct]

Exactly, in the case of the Morebus 3 and 4, tickets across Wimborne (so "B" in your example) are not available.

They are on the 16 and 17, where "B" in that example is Bournemouth.

3 and 4 are not officially advertised through services. Their interworking is just an operational arrangement.

16 and 17 are advertised as through services in the PDF timetable. The routes are drawn in a way that turning back at Town Centre isn't possible and need to continue on the other one.

 

[Statto]

First Potteries 3A, 4A, the 3A goes from Hanley to Talke via Burslem & Kidsgrove then changes to a 4A back to Hanley via Newcastle, same with 4A changing to 3A around Talke.