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Swansea is mentioned up thread, but has two avoiding lines, via Landore triangle and the District Line. There are passenger trains on both, with some seemingly going either route. Eg. 1V95 1041 Holyhead to Llanelli is booked via the District but sometimes goes via Landore.
 
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Re: Darlington. There's a scheme for new tracks and platforms east of the through lines, to increase capacity and avoid up stoppers having to cross the down fast en route to the train shed. That would put the 'avoiders' between platforms which would disqualify them I presume.
 

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A couple of Lumo services avoid York by going through the yard to the west
 

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Not really a major station, but Sleaford gets avoided by the 2310 Peterborough to Lincoln service Mondays to Fridays. The only booked passenger service to use the Sleaford avoiding line, though weekend ECML diverts use it during November most years.
 

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At Weston super-mare too the avoiding line is the original route, and the same may be true of Lewisham.

Not in the latter case: the SER's original Main Line to Folkestone took the LB&SCR route as far as Redhill, and the line through Lewisham served Gravesend & Strood, and then the Mid-Kent railway. The new Main Line in the 1860s began with the avoiding line at St John's, and rejoined the existing SER Main at Tonbridge.
 

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Re Darlington, I've checked at least the December 2019 timetable (pre-Covid) but I'm pretty sure that before Lumo the only service that avoided it was the up flying Scotsman (0540 off of Edinburgh) that did Newcastle-London non-stop, and that prior to the introduction of that there had been a period of many years where every scheduled service stopped at Darlington.
 

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May 2018:
1P21 10:19 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1P27 13:19 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1P31 15:19 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1E01 05:40 Edinburgh to King's Cross
9M05 07:08 Newcastle to Liverpool
1P22 10:15 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1P24 11:18 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
all bypassed Darlington
 
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Wasn't their removal partly a result of damage by a runaway train?
Yes, severe damage caused to a bridge and BR decided not to approve repairs

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Uddingston to Law Junction via Bellshill and Wishaw used as a diversionary route to avoid Motherwell

Also, Rutherglen East Junction to Law Junction via Mount Vernon, Whifflet, Holytown and Wishaw
 
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Decent call that, the Styal line was essentially originally built in the late 1900's as a means for express trains to avoid running through Stockport. The stations on the Styal line, now quite busy, were a bit of an afterthought.
It was a very late line, designed to relieve severe congestion through Stockport, although a small oversight was that an act of parliament from 1840 required that all trains continue serve Stockport given the disrupton caused there during the construction of the viaduct, so it was mainly used by freight and there wasn't much traffic on it until housing built up around the stations on it and their electric passenger service, but it only became extremely busy following the opening of the airport rail link in 1993. Ordnance Survey maps at maps.nls.uk show it as "Railway in course of construction"
There used to be a Stoke - Manchester stopper that would avoid Stockport by going on the "Main" road behind platform 4 around the May 2018 timetable debacle
This would have the same problem, that trains are not allowed to omit Stockport, although I have been through it illegally without stopping on a Sunday diversion.
Colwich - Stone could be considered a 'Stafford avoiding line'.
That is an interesting line and I can't understand how it has survived seeing as it is almost totally redundant, or how it will survive post-HS2 when the slightly faster conventional route to Manchester is no longer required. 2 Pendolinos an hour seem to be the only traffic on it.

I also don't understand how the Weston-super-Mare avoiding line survived. Beeching could have just sent all trains via Weston-super-mare, some non-stop and closed the main line.
 

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It was a very late line, designed to relieve severe congestion through Stockport, although a small oversight was that an act of parliament from 1840 required that all trains continue serve Stockport given the disrupton caused there during the construction of the viaduct, so it was mainly used by freight and there wasn't much traffic on it until housing built up around the stations on it and their electric passenger service, but it only became extremely busy following the opening of the airport rail link in 1993. Ordnance Survey maps at maps.nls.uk show it as "Railway in course of construction"

This would have the same problem, that trains are not allowed to omit Stockport, although I have been through it illegally without stopping on a Sunday diversion.

That is an interesting line and I can't understand how it has survived seeing as it is almost totally redundant, or how it will survive post-HS2 when the slightly faster conventional route to Manchester is no longer required. 2 Pendolinos an hour seem to be the only traffic on it.

I also don't understand how the Weston-super-Mare avoiding line survived. Beeching could have just sent all trains via Weston-super-mare, some non-stop and closed the main line.
The so called Act that requires all services to call at Stockport has never been found.

It’s nothing but a constantly repeated “railway myth”.
 

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The South Eastern Main Line avoiding Lewisham.
That was the one which immediately sprung to mind, especially when you look at its passenger numbers

In a parallel universe, Lewisham would have been built as a mini Clapham Junction with say 8 platforms, and all trains passing through it before diverging.
 

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Does 2N50, the Sundays only 0755 Man Vic to Clitheroe count? It 'avoids' Salford Central (platforms) between Manchester Victoria and Salford Crescent by using the through lines, and operates via Irwell Bridge Junction and Ordsall Lane Junction, thus taking 1 mile and 78 chains rather than the usual 1 mile and 59 chains between Victoria & Salford Crescent. Salford Central has to be considered a major station, as Salford is a City in its own right.
 

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I also don't understand how the Weston-super-Mare avoiding line survived. Beeching could have just sent all trains via Weston-super-mare, some non-stop and closed the main line.
It is a tight curve through the station, just over 300m radius. Slow for any non-stops and using maximum cant for the highest possible through speed would make the stepping distance to the platform edge difficult for stoppers.
 

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The so called Act that requires all services to call at Stockport has never been found.

It’s nothing but a constantly repeated “railway myth”.
Well why do all trains serve Stockport? Piccadilly - Stockport has one of the highest frequency services in the country because all trains call there. Most could easily omit it without causing any issue, but don’t.
Now that would make an interesting new thread -- constantly reoccurring 'railway myths'.
Wouldn’t it
Does 2N50, the Sundays only 0755 Man Vic to Clitheroe count? It 'avoids' Salford Central (platforms) between Manchester Victoria and Salford Crescent by using the through lines, and operates via Irwell Bridge Junction and Ordsall Lane Junction, thus taking 1 mile and 78 chains rather than the usual 1 mile and 59 chains between Victoria & Salford Crescent. Salford Central has to be considered a major station, as Salford is a City in its own right.
Is that the only train that goes by such an illogical route?
It is a tight curve through the station, just over 300m radius. Slow for any non-stops and using maximum cant for the highest possible through speed would make the stepping distance to the platform edge difficult for stoppers.
That makes perfect sense to me, but I don’t see why that would make any difference to an axe wielding theoretical physicist who created many sub-optimal gaps in the network. Looking at the platform spacing at Weston-super-Mare, were there originally through lines which could have been retained with maximum cant or was it built to broad gauge?

The same applies to the original L&Y line from Salford Crescent to Salford Central. It could have been closed to reduce maintenance costs and all trains to Victoria diverted via the Windsor Link, but that would have only decimated capacity in Manchester even more than it already has been.
 

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Well why do all trains serve Stockport? Piccadilly - Stockport has one of the highest frequency services in the country because all trains call there. Most could easily omit it without causing any issue, but don’t.
They don't.
Until a few years ago there was an hourly Manchester-Birmingham service which didn't call at Stockport.
There were years when the Manchester Pullman ran that it ran through Stockport, for example in 1977-78 1H05 08:00 Euston-Piccadilly was booked to pass through Stockport at 10:21.5 (FL). Its route depended on its timing and conflicts with the stopper every 30 minutes on the Styal line; that year the up afternoon working at 16:43 went via Styal but the down morning working went via Stockport without stopping.
The hourly Birmingham service gained a call for two reasons I think - firstly because it could and secondly because it made the services more consistent.
There was also an up morning service 2H18 07:32 Piccadilly-Macclesfield non-stop in 2015 which was essentially a former ECS working that was advertised, and had no intermediate stops including passing Stockport 07:40.5 (SL).
It's a myth, or it's like the law requiring drivers to carry their licenses on them, in other words one that's never enforced even if it exists. [Not quite the same, I admit, it's an offence not to produce a license when asked by an appropriate person but it's a valid defence to show the license at a police station within 7 days, but this is very off-topic now!]
EDIT However none of these non-stop services through Stockport were booked to use the down main or up main, which are (were in the case of the up main which is now platform 0) the avoiding lines, neither were the other Stoke-Manchester and Alderley Edge-Manchester services after the 2018 timetable, none of which means that they couldn't have done so on any particular day. I myself have never used either line, despite once travelling on an ECS Longsight-Macclesfield which I hoped would use the up main (before platform 0).
 
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That was the one which immediately sprung to mind, especially when you look at its passenger numbers

In a parallel universe, Lewisham would have been built as a mini Clapham Junction with say 8 platforms, and all trains passing through it before diverging.

That's really what St. Johns should have been, and why it had three island platforms when first opened. But the creation of the Nunhead link and the alterations for electrification ended that possibility forever.
 

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40 years ago, no one signs them and I don't believe they are passed for passenger use currently. If they were available do you not think there would be trains over them?
[Crewe Independent Lines]

Historically I don't think the Liverpool and Manchester Independents were regularly used for passenger services. The Chester Independent was regularly used for summer Saturday services such as Birmingham-Llandudno.

All were used during the 1980s remodelling closure.

I would suspect none are currently "passed" for such use.
 

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That makes perfect sense to me, but I don’t see why that would make any difference to an axe wielding theoretical physicist who created many sub-optimal gaps in the network. Looking at the platform spacing at Weston-super-Mare, were there originally through lines which could have been retained with maximum cant or was it built to broad gauge?
There was a single through siding in the middle between the platforms. It had ground disc signals at each end so wasn't signalled for through running. I expect it was mostly used for run-rounds and short-term parking of detached vehicles.

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[Crewe Independent Lines]

Historically I don't think the Liverpool and Manchester Independents were regularly used for passenger services. The Chester Independent was regularly used for summer Saturday services such as Birmingham-Llandudno.

All were used during the 1980s remodelling closure.

I would suspect none are currently "passed" for such use.
I expect the signalling on the Independents is not suitable for passenger use in normal operation. I'd consider factors such as Permissive Freight working between AB signal boxes, lack of facing point locks, incomplete trapping of sidings against running lines, and insufficient overlap provision. All these can be overcome by temporary special working arrangements if desired, but that would likely require armies of operations staff on overtime stationed around the layout for point clipping and padlocking etc. Hence such arrangements might be sustained for a few weeks of diversions during a remodelling scheme but would not be practical long term, nor would they be considered sufficiently safe as a permanent arrangement. Modern practice is to signal freight running lines to full passenger standards, so diversions are much easier to arrange safely.
 
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If an XC Southampton or Bournemouth train has cab issues, Reading is sometimes skipped and the trains are run round Southcote Jn and Scours Lane Jn to avoid Reading. Doesn't happen so often since the Newcastle - Soton services don't run anymore
 

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Westbury had 500,000 passengers annually pre-COVID and Frome maybe some 200,000 passengers per year. Probably both allowable given that they both have named avoiding lines.
Curiously Frome is twice the population of Westbury. Both lines when built by the GWR in the 1930s were referred to as "avoiding lines".

The Frome line, despite being a bypass, is almost dead straight, the old line having curved through the town. Meanwhile the Westbury avoider has the unique (I can't think of another one) feature of passing between the station and the town, the former having been notably well outside the built-up area.

For me, an avoiding line is one built to avoid the congestion etc at the station, so Weston-super-Mare doesn't really count because the main line as first built missed the town for the first 20 years until the loop through it was built later. Northampton is a more extreme version of this.
 
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For me, an avoiding line is one built to avoid the congestion etc at the station, so Weston-super-Mare doesn't really count because the main line as first built missed the town for the first 20 years until the loop through it was built later. Northampton is a more extreme version of this.
Weston originally had a dead end branch from the mainline that diverged at a different junction, between the current two, and served a small terminus station a little closer to the mud, sorry beach. The line is present but shown already disused on an 1885 OS map, completely superseded by the new loop alignment and through station.

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Taunton's avoiding line passed between the town centre and the station...
I think that was freight only wasn't it. Exeter also had a bypass so freight heading between the west and Riverside Yard could avoid the station.
 
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Is that the only train that goes by such an illogical route?
There are plenty of trains that take obscure routes in order for crews to retain knowledge of diversionary routes - I imagine this is one?
Not in the latter case: the SER's original Main Line to Folkestone took the LB&SCR route as far as Redhill, and the line through Lewisham served Gravesend & Strood, and then the Mid-Kent railway. The new Main Line in the 1860s began with the avoiding line at St John's, and rejoined the existing SER Main at Tonbridge.
...and Lewisham was only connected to the new main line by the SR in c1929 as part of the new route via Nunhead (keeping cross-London freight away from Metropolitan Junction-Borough Market Junction).
 

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Taunton's (closed and lifted) avoiding line passed between the town centre and the station...
Yes, I should have mentioned I was writing about current lines, shouldn't I (seeing as I walked underneath this very one each day from the town to the station for years :) ).

The Taunton avoider was used occasionally by passenger trains, and signalled to passenger standards. It ran along the line of the old canal which the railway had bought up in early days. It was apparently used much more before the big station rebuild in 1932, when the just two through tracks there was a bottleneck; even the nonstop Cornish Riviera was apparently occasionally sent that way. It's not only been closed and lifted now, but a new road has been recently built fully along its old alignment - third use of it.
 

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Are the independent lines going to be used for passenger trains?
There was talk a couple of years ago of putting a platform on them as part of the changes resulting from HS2, but I think that has now been dropped. Whether it's still planned to use them for passenger trains, I don't know, but others will.
 
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