Trivia: Lines That Never Had Passenger Services

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  1. RichmondCommu

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    G'day everyone.

    Hopefully the thread title is self explanatory. My suggestion would be the Cromford and High Peak Railway which essentially ran from Cromford to Parsley Hay in Derbyshire.

    Any other suggestions?

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    Richmond Commuter!
     
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    The Hull and Barnsley and Great Central Joint Railway had five stations that were fully constructed on its line but these were never used as passenger stations.
     
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    In my part of the world: the four-and-a-half-mile branch (Great Eastern, thence to LNER and BR) from Three Horse Shoes junction between Whittlesea and March, to Benwick. Always freight-only.
     
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    In 1855 an Act of Parliament authorised the carriage of passengers. However the one train per day each way did little to produce extra revenue and, when a passenger was killed in 1877, the service was discontinued. The line's prosperity depended on that of the canals it connected but, by the 1830s, they were in decline. This was, to a degree, offset by the increase in the trade for limestone from the quarries, (Source, Wikipedia 2017).
     
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    Chadderton Coal Depot branch, Oldham, although a few guardsvan specials did use the branch.
     
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    Down in South Wales , the never fully constructed Cwmgors Branch Junction to Abernant Colliery , had 2 stations built at Gwaun Cae Gurwen (not the halt used for services from 1907 to 1926) . and Cwmgors itself. Part of an ambitious move to tap the anthracite area into the network without circuitous journeys via the Central Wales line or the Midland route down the Swansea Valley. After years of underuse , the line got refurbished and slightly extended , but the 2 stations were never used for their purpose.
     
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    Thank you Wikipedia !
     
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    Here are a few more

    Ludlow – Clee Hill
    Severn & Wye Rly “mineral loop” (Whincroft – Drybrook Road)
    Forest of Dean Central Rly (Awre – Brandricks Green)
    Barry Railway Penrhos branch (Tynyciau Jcn – Barry Junction (Brcon & Merthyr))
    Great Central Worsborough line (Silstone Jcn – Wombwell Jcn) – this closed much later than the others, lasting until 1981 as part of the Woodhead route
    Midland Railway Bretby branch
    Grimsby District Light Railway (Grimsby – Immingham. Still open )
    East Kent Railway extension (Sandwich Road – Richborough Port. Station built but passenger services never run)
    Bleasby / Fiskerton – Soutwell (third side of large triangle)

    There were probably a large number of other freight only branches, but there isn't much information about any of them online
     
  10. Bevan Price

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    Lots of lines built primarily for freight, especially coal & minerals, never had "scheduled" / "booked" passenger services, although many may have been visited by railtours, Far too numerous lines to list them here. Some quite short, some were little more than sidings, but others migt be several miles long. Just a few that were local to me:
    Ravenhead Jn (St. Helens) to Ravenhead & Eccleston (the latter once extended to a long-closed Gillars Green Colliery).
    Sutton Oak Jn to Carr Mill Jn. (and which had branches to various coal mines.)
    Ravenhead Jn to Pocket Nook Jn (avoided the passenger station then known as St. Helens Shaw St.)

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    Broadly, in my geographical “patch”, and always a favourite and interest-provoking scene for me: the branches originating in pre-Grouping times with the Great Northern, and Midland, Railways – never passenger-served, existing basically in the interests of ironstone extraction in the otherwise deeply-rural countryside between Melton Mowbray and Grantham.

    Quite intricate rail doings involved – featuring essentially two separate GNR lines, with subsidiary branches: one running southward from Belvoir Junction between Sedgebrook and Bottesford on the Grantham – Nottingham route, the other setting out east / north-east / north from Scalford on the GNR / LNWR Joint line. By the 1950s, these two mini-systems had grown to be at their extremities, only a couple of miles from each other. Additionally, there was the Midland’s branch from Holwell Junction at the ironworks of that name, between Melton Mowbray and Grimston on the Midland’s MM – Nottingham line: which ran north-eastwards, crossing over the GN / LNW Joint line (the latter in tunnel at that point) to make physical connection at Wycombe Junction, with the GNR’s branch out of Scalford.

    These lines – though never running for passengers, and chiefly if not entirely existing for the benefit of the ironstone industry – clearly counted as “fully-paid-up” constituents of their respective owning companies: recognised thus, by the Ian Allan Pre-Grouping Atlas & Gazetteer, and Jowett’s Railway Atlas. And a “one-inch” Ordnance Survey map of the region, from the pre-Grouping era, handed down in our family -- shows all these ironstone lines with the OS "mineral lines, sidings, and tramways" symbol; but labels at any rate the two Great Northern lines as “GNR Waltham Branch” (that starting from Scalford) and “GNR Woolsthorpe Branch” (that starting from Belvoir Jun.).
     
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    The present day Heritage line Tanfield Railway was a North Eastern owned Colliery branch. Nominally dating back to 1725 [yes 1725] through various incarnations. The current passenger operations were only introduced in the 1970s by the current Heritage outfit when they started.
     
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    how about the LT Nothern extension, never had any service as never finished .
    Note no rolling eyes
     
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    Edgware to Bushey Heath was only partly constructed.
    The passenger service between Mill Hill East to Edgware was "suspended" in 1939 for electrification works but was never reopened.
     
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    This thread reminded me of the Ruthern Bridge and Wenford Bridge lines in Cornwall. I think they were both freight only?
     
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    I'd forgotten that passengers had been carried in the early days so thanks for this. What is astonishing is that it appears that at the discretion of railway workers passengers were allowed to travel up the inclines, even though if the rope had failed certain death would have resulted. One wonders whether it was a rope failure that killed that poor soul back in 1877. From what I've read the single coach that carried passengers was known as the 'fly' although the excellent book by Alan Rimmer doesn't seem to explain why it was called that.
     
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    Ditto the Bowes Railway that only ever carried coal but is now run (in a small part, currently based at Springwell) as a preserved rope-hauled line. I think large sections of the line, the Pontop and Jarrow railway, if not all of it, were dedicated to freight (most if not all of which was coal (surprise, surprise)) to the extent that passenger services were never run. It ended up part of the NCB network around South Tyneside. I'm sure there are also plenty of other lines in the area and colliery branches that have similar stories.
     
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    ... talking of which, the Queen Alexandra Bridge (Sunderland) upper deck may also have only ever carried freight.
     
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    That's been my understanding. I've always been tickled by a fellow-enthusiast long ago's remark, that the Ruthern Bridge branch was abandoned "about the time Caesar landed". Just a touch of hyperbole there -- colourful, though.

    At a guess: per the Shorter Oxford Dictionary, in the 19th century a lightweight covered carriage drawn by one horse, was sometimes known as a "fly". One might see an extension of this usage referring to a single rail passenger vehicle, as on the C&HP, carrying only a few people, and active on the periphery of an overwhelmingly freight operation.
     
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    Wenford may have seen a couple of excursions, but I think Ruthern was freight only.

    Suggestions

    Hayle warves
    The china clay branches in central Cornwall apart from the Newquay branch. I believe Fowey saw some early passenger use
    Portreath
    Were there ever excursions over Liskeard (Coombe) to Cheeswring?
    Port of Par
    Falmouth docks
    Bridestowe had its own branch to serve peat workings
    Sandford potteries nr Wareham had its own railway
    Poole harbour branch
    Redruth & Chasewater

    If we included industrial ng there would have been may more lines. In fact, we could start another trivia thread on industrial ng that did provide passenger services such as the workmen's trains on the Sittingbourne & Kemsley
     
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    Can I mention the London "Post Office Tube Railway" which will open soon and carry passengers for the first time..!
     
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    If you mean the Hamworthy Goods branch to Poole Harbour then it carried passengers 1847-1896.
     
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    The Van branch from Caersws to Van in mid-Wales? Unusual in that it was a rural line and not a colliery or industrial concern.
     
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    According to Wiki, this line -- opened 1871, finally closed 1940 -- carried passengers for the short period 1873 -- 79.
     
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    And had a noteble poet as it's General Manager (off topic I know) - :D
     
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    Ah that makes a lot of sense as a chap who made the journey (according to Alan Rimmer's book) describes the passenger vehicle as being like an old omnibus. For what its worth the brake was also operated through a hole in the floor.
     
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    Several private coal lines , operated passenger service for the use of workers. Welsh ones that come to mind are , -

    Pontardulais to Graig Merthyr Colly ( well into the 1970's)

    Cwmllynfell to Gwaun - Cae Gurwen Collieries

    Presumably , normal standards did not apply , interlocking , signals etc - and staff no doubt travelled at their own risk.

    Similar operations in the Durham coalfield , and no doubt Scotland.
     
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    I seem to recall references in pre-motor-era fiction, to the "station fly" at smaller stations: one-horse taxi-equivalent taking passengers to places in the locality.
     
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    Like on the South Devon Railway? ;)
     

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