Trivia: Longest Distance Journey per TOC?

[bightaylor]

What are the longest journeys by distance for each TOC?

And by this, I mean using the same head-code throughout the journey, a regular scheduled service (not adhoc diversion due to engineering work, etc)

Obviously, we all know Cross Country's 1V60 Aberdeen to Penzance service, but what about the rest?

 

[Trainguy34]

Do you mean by the train's route or as the crow flies?

 

[Farigiraf]

EMR - Liverpool Lime Street to Norwich
Northern - Whitby to Carlisle
c2c - Fenchurch St to Shoeburyness via Tilbury
GWR - Night Riviera
Caledonian Sleeper - Highland Sleeper
Avanti West Coast - Euston to Edinburgh via Birmingham
SWR - Waterloo to Exeter St Davids
GA - Lowestoft to Harwich International
ScotRail - Inverness to Wick
Merseyrail - Chester to Chester via Liverpool
LNER - King's Cross to Inverness
Hull Trains - King's Cross to Beverley
Lumo - King's Cross to Edinburgh
Grand Central - King's Cross to Sunderland
Edit: these are measured by time, misunderstood post (although some may be correct)

Others are a bit more complicated

 

[Mcr Warrior]

How far is Carlisle->Nottingham? (Northern - SuO).
Has to be further than Carlisle->Whitby.

Carlisle->Preston (via Barrow-in-Furness) (Northern - SX/SuX) might also be a slightly longer through journey than Carlisle->Whitby.

P.S. Would the longest LNER journey be London Kings Cross->Inverness?

 

[DanNCL]

These are my guesses:

Avanti - Euston to Edinburgh via Birmingham
C2C - Fenchurch Street to Shoeburyness via Grays?
Chiltern - Marylebone to Stourbridge Junction
Elizabeth Line - either Abbey Wood to Reading or Shenfield to Heathrow
EMR - Liverpool to Norwich?
Eurostar - St Pancras to Amsterdam Centraal. Historically, London St Pancras to Marseille St Charles was longer.
Grand Central - Kings Cross to Sunderland
Greater Anglia - Liverpool Street to Norwich
GTR - either Cambridge to Brighton or Peterborough to Horsham?
GWR - Paddington to Penzance
Hull Trains - Kings Cross to Beverley
LNER - Kings Cross to Inverness
London Overground - no idea
London Underground - Epping to West Ruislip
Merseyrail - Chester to Chester via Liverpool
Northern - Carlisle to Nottingham if it still runs, otherwise Carlisle to Whitby.
ScotRail - Edinburgh to Inverness via Aberdeen?
Southeastern - does St Pancras to St Pancras via Faversham, Ramsgate and Dover still run?
SWR - Waterloo to Exeter St David’s
TFW - Cardiff Central to Holyhead, unless one of the Holyhead trains continues west of Cardiff?
TPE - Edinburgh to Liverpool via Newcastle, one train a day still does this.
Tyne & Wear Metro - St James to South Shields
WMT - Euston to Crewe?
XC - Aberdeen to Penzance

 

[stadler]

What are the longest journeys by distance for each TOC?

And by this, I mean using the same head-code throughout the journey, a regular scheduled service (not adhoc diversion due to engineering work, etc)

Obviously, we all know Cross Country's 1V60 Aberdeen to Penzance service, but what about the rest?

Here are some off the top of my head:

• GTR - Brighton to Cambridge

If you include each brand separately than i think it would be these:

• GN - London Kings Cross to Kings Lynn
• GX - Brighton to London Victoria
• SN - Southampton Central to London Victoria
• TL - Brighton to Cambridge

So it depends whether or not you want to count the brands individually.

• EL - Abbey Wood to Reading

• HX - London Paddington to Heathrow Airport T5

Southeastern is very complex due to all the circular routeings (especially on HS services) so i am not sure what that would be.

EMR - Liverpool Lime Street to Norwich
Northern - Whitby to Carlisle
c2c - Fenchurch St to Shoeburyness via Tilbury
GWR - Night Riviera
Caledonian Sleeper - Highland Sleeper
Avanti West Coast - Euston to Edinburgh via Birmingham
SWR - Waterloo to Exeter St Davids
GA - Lowestoft to Harwich International
ScotRail - Inverness to Wick
Merseyrail - Chester to Chester via Liverpool
LNER - King's Cross to Inverness
Hull Trains - King's Cross to Beverley
Lumo - King's Cross to Edinburgh
Grand Central - King's Cross to Sunderland
Edit: these are measured by time, misunderstood post (although some may be correct)

Others are a bit more complicated

Are you sure about the Lowestoft to Harwich International journey? Surely a London Liverpool Street to Norwich journey is much longer?

 

[Farigiraf]

Are you sure about the Lowestoft to Harwich International journey? Surely a London Liverpool Street to Norwich journey is much longer?

By distance, Liverpool Street to Norwich is longer. By time, Lowestoft to Harwich is about 20 minutes longer.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Think at least one weekday TfW service starting from Holyhead continues beyond Cardiff Central (to Llanelli).

Take it that Manchester Piccadilly->Milford Haven (via Cardiff Central) is a shorter distance TfW journey than is the above-mentioned Holyhead->Llanelli (via Cardiff).

 

[robert thomas]

These are my guesses:

Avanti - Euston to Edinburgh via Birmingham
C2C - Fenchurch Street to Shoeburyness via Grays?
Chiltern - Marylebone to Stourbridge Junction
Elizabeth Line - either Abbey Wood to Reading or Sheffield to Heathrow
EMR - Liverpool to Norwich?
Eurostar - St Pancras to Amsterdam Centraal. Historically, London St Pancras to Marseille St Charles was longer.
Grand Central - Kings Cross to Sunderland
Greater Anglia - Liverpool Street to Norwich
GTR - either Cambridge to Brighton or Peterborough to Horsham?
GWR - Paddington to Penzance
Hull Trains - Kings Cross to Beverley
LNER - Kings Cross to Inverness
London Overground - no idea
London Underground - Epping to West Ruislip
Merseyrail - Chester to Chester via Liverpool
Northern - Carlisle to Nottingham if it still runs, otherwise Carlisle to Whitby.
ScotRail - Edinburgh to Inverness via Aberdeen?
Southeastern - does St Pancras to St Pancras via Faversham, Ramsgate and Dover still run?
SWR - Waterloo to Exeter St David’s
TFW - Cardiff Central to Holyhead, unless one of the Holyhead trains continues west of Cardiff?
TPE - Edinburgh to Liverpool via Newcastle, one train a day still does this.
Tyne & Wear Metro - St James to South Shields
WMT - Euston to Crewe?
XC - Aberdeen to Penzance

Tfw Holyhead-Llanelli

 

[py_megapixel]

Pre-Metro Operations Limited - Stourbridge Junction to Stourbridge Town

 

[hexagon789]

ScotRail - Edinburgh to Inverness via Aberdeen?

Glasgow to Inverness via Aberdeen is 24.5mi longer. (The 1439 Glasgow QS to Inverness does this route every weekday, taking exactly 5 hours.)

 

[renegademaster]

Sheffield to Heathrow

Would be a fun way round from the MML

 

[Farigiraf]

London Overground - no idea

Stratford to Clapham Junction and Euston to Watford Junction is about the same

Southeastern - does St Pancras to St Pancras via Faversham, Ramsgate and Dover still run?

Not as a through service. Longest is probably Charing Cross to Ramsgate via Dover


For Thameslink, Peterborough to Horsham is slightly longer than Cambridge to Brighton by distance

 

[co-tr-paul]

GWR also have a Penzance to Cardiff. Unsure of mileage difference between that and Padd.

 

[Farigiraf]

GWR also have a Penzance to Cardiff. Unsure of mileage difference between that and Padd.

Penzance - Cardiff ~ 250 miles
Penzance - London (via Bristol) ~ 310 miles

 

[A S Leib]

I know that I asked this a few months ago; I'll try to find the thread.

Edit: here, as of December 2023

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Avanti - Euston to Edinburgh via Birmingham

By a small distance, the longest is the once-a-day Edinburgh – New Street – Northampton – Euston.

 

[bightaylor]

Do you mean by the train's route or as the crow flies?

The trains actual route

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These are my guesses:

Avanti - Euston to Edinburgh via Birmingham
C2C - Fenchurch Street to Shoeburyness via Grays?
Chiltern - Marylebone to Stourbridge Junction
Elizabeth Line - either Abbey Wood to Reading or Sheffield to Heathrow
EMR - Liverpool to Norwich?
Eurostar - St Pancras to Amsterdam Centraal. Historically, London St Pancras to Marseille St Charles was longer.
Grand Central - Kings Cross to Sunderland
Greater Anglia - Liverpool Street to Norwich
GTR - either Cambridge to Brighton or Peterborough to Horsham?
GWR - Paddington to Penzance
Hull Trains - Kings Cross to Beverley
LNER - Kings Cross to Inverness
London Overground - no idea
London Underground - Epping to West Ruislip
Merseyrail - Chester to Chester via Liverpool
Northern - Carlisle to Nottingham if it still runs, otherwise Carlisle to Whitby.
ScotRail - Edinburgh to Inverness via Aberdeen?
Southeastern - does St Pancras to St Pancras via Faversham, Ramsgate and Dover still run?
SWR - Waterloo to Exeter St David’s
TFW - Cardiff Central to Holyhead, unless one of the Holyhead trains continues west of Cardiff?
TPE - Edinburgh to Liverpool via Newcastle, one train a day still does this.
Tyne & Wear Metro - St James to South Shields
WMT - Euston to Crewe?
XC - Aberdeen to Penzance

Southeastern is 1L15 0622 Faversham to St Pancras via Ramsgate and Dover. Full rounders don’t exist anymore thank God!

 

[DanNCL]

Would be a fun way round from the MML

Oops corrected

 

[Trainguy34]

By about 0.2 Km, the longest Southeastern is the 07.05 Faversham - Charing Cross via Ramsgate, Minster (Reverse), Deal, Folkestone and Ashford. The only reason it wasn't the 06.22 Faversham to St Pancras following a near-identical route to Ashford is because the 2 routes from Ashford are the same length (139 KM), is because the Charing X train reverses at Minster for school children, while the high-speed bypasses.

Longest Train:

Realtime Trains | 2W98 0705 Faversham to London Charing Cross | 02/10/2024

Real-time train running information for 2W98 0705 departure from Faversham to London Charing Cross on 02/10/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[A S Leib]

You can get the Elizabeth line from Shenfield to Romford, or EMR from Sheffield to Cromford. I don't think those four places have much in common.

How far is Carlisle->Nottingham? (Northern - SuO).
Has to be further than Carlisle->Whitby.

Carlisle->Preston (via Barrow-in-Furness) (Northern - SX/SuX) might also be a slightly longer through journey than Carlisle->Whitby.

Signal.eu.org puts Carlisle – Barrow – Preston at 228 km, Carlisle – Whitby at 231 km and Carlisle – Leeds – Barnsley – Nottingham at 313 km (195 miles). That makes Carlisle – Nottingham longer than Carlisle – Barrow – Manchester Airport as well, although I don't think there are currently through Manchester – Workington services anyway.

 

[duffield]

How far is Carlisle->Nottingham? (Northern - SuO).
Has to be further than Carlisle->Whitby.

Carlisle->Preston (via Barrow-in-Furness) (Northern - SX/SuX) might also be a slightly longer through journey than Carlisle->Whitby.

P.S. Would the longest LNER journey be London Kings Cross->Inverness?

Using RTT where available and the rail mileage engine where not:
Carlisle to Notttingham 195m54c
Carlisle to Whitby 143m73c

Rail mileage calculated by the route of the direct Northern trains, other routes will vary.

 

[co-tr-paul]

Penzance - Cardiff ~ 250 miles
Penzance - London (via Bristol) ~ 310 miles

Thanks. So done 250 miles in a 150 several times !

 

[MancWhite]

EMR - Liverpool Lime Street to Norwich
Northern - Whitby to Carlisle
c2c - Fenchurch St to Shoeburyness via Tilbury
GWR - Night Riviera
Caledonian Sleeper - Highland Sleeper
Avanti West Coast - Euston to Edinburgh via Birmingham
SWR - Waterloo to Exeter St Davids
GA - Lowestoft to Harwich International
ScotRail - Inverness to Wick
Merseyrail - Chester to Chester via Liverpool
LNER - King's Cross to Inverness
Hull Trains - King's Cross to Beverley
Lumo - King's Cross to Edinburgh
Grand Central - King's Cross to Sunderland
Edit: these are measured by time, misunderstood post (although some may be correct)

Others are a bit more complicated

Does that really count as a single journey just because there's a loop involved? You board at Chester and you've reached very much reached Liverpool by time it says the train is bound for Chester again.

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

What is the mileage of Paddington-Pembroke Dock?

 

[D6975]

Does that really count as a single journey just because there's a loop involved? You board at Chester and you've reached very much reached Liverpool by time it says the train is bound for Chester again.

It is however a single service, it retains the same headcode all the way back to its starting point.

 

[DanNCL]

Does that really count as a single journey just because there's a loop involved? You board at Chester and you've reached very much reached Liverpool by time it says the train is bound for Chester again.

It’s a single Chester to Chester service in the timetable so yes it counts.

 

[A S Leib]

What is the mileage of Paddington-Pembroke Dock?

GWR don't currently go west of Carmarthen within Wales, but it's 264 miles.

 

[MancWhite]

It is however a single service, it retains the same headcode all the way back to its starting point.

Fair enough. Out of curiosity then, could you buy an off-peak ticket from Chester to, say, Bache then, and stay on all the way to Liverpool and back to Bache without falling afoul of the guard?

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Fair enough. Out of curiosity then, could you buy an off-peak ticket from Chester to, say, Bache then, and stay on all the way to Liverpool and back to Bache without falling afoul of the guard?

That sounds like over-travelling to me.

 

[A S Leib]

The TfW app looks happy to sell a ticket from Birkenhead Hamilton Square to Birkenhead Central via Liverpool Lime Street, but I'd guess that falls under the three mile rule.