Trivia: Switching carriages required to complete a journey?

[YellowBrick]

I always assumed that if it was a short platform, you'd always have to get off at the front x carriages, so if you're in the front x carriages, you can always complete your journey without needing to change no matter how short the platform.
But then I saw a sign saying for Silverdale it's the last x carriages.

So my question is: Is there a journey where you have to switch carriages to complete it (as in, board the front, and get off at the back, or vice-versa)?
And in particular, if you have to get out at an intermediate station to switch between units.

 

[Gaelan]

Certain seated Caledonian Sleeper journeys require this in Edinburgh I believe - I think Fort William to London?

 

[PTR 444]

New Milton to Branksome and Parkstone. On a 10-coach service from London Waterloo, only the front 5 coaches call at the former. Now that the front portion of the train splits at Bournemouth to continue non-stop to Poole, passengers for the latter stations have to walk through the train to the rear 5 coaches forming the stopping portion to Poole.

 

[AlbertBeale]

Zurich-Zagreb sleeper used to have through carriages to Belgrade; but these were only seats, so if you were on a Zurich-Belgrade trip, and in a sleeper, you had to move down the train at breakfast time while it was being split at Zagreb. (I think this doesn't currently apply because of a line refurbishment blocking Zagreb-Belgrade journeys.)

Maybe a bit like the situation on some London-Scotland sleeper journeys?

 

[D6975]

Many moons ago when the Fort Bill sleeper actually started in Mallaig as 3 Mk1s, these coaches only went as far as Queen St. If you were going beyond Glasgow you had to move into one of the Mk2s that were added at Fort Bill. Similarly on the Northbound from South of Glasgow you would have to move into the Mk1s if you were going beyond Fort Bill.

 

[Kite159]

Would that some SWR services from Exeter which are formed of 3 coaches running into 6 coaches at Salisbury, any passengers for Clapham would need to move forward count?

 

[AlbertBeale]

Would that some SWR services from Exeter which are formed of 3 coaches running into 6 coaches at Salisbury, any passengers for Clapham would need to move forward count?

Surely Clapham Junction can cope with 9 carriages??

 

[joncombe]

It used to be the case that a 5 car 444 would set off from Weymouth for London Waterloo and then at Bournemouth it would attach to another 5 car 444 at the front, then passengers for the next stop, Christchurch would have to be in the front 5 carriages to alight. These carriages were only added at Bournemouth so anyone boarding west of there has to move carriages. It seems to have now changed to front 7 for Christchurch which is better, but still causes confusion as not everyone seems to realise more carriages were attached at the front.

 

[Big Jumby 74]

Surely Clapham Junction can cope with 9 carriages??

Not been on one, a nine car 159, lately, but I believe it is still front six for Clapham Junction. Reasons being that 159's are only fitted with old style SDO so doors can only be opened by unit, whereas 450/444 etc have ASDO so can open by any number of cars. Platform 7 at Clapham can just about take 10 (450) carriages (I was on one such 12 car recently, sitting in coach 11 so could see for myself) which equates to just over 203 metres, whereas a 9 car 159 measures about 209 metres.

 

[xotGD]

Many moons ago when the Fort Bill sleeper actually started in Mallaig as 3 Mk1s, these coaches only went as far as Queen St. If you were going beyond Glasgow you had to move into one of the Mk2s that were added at Fort Bill. Similarly on the Northbound from South of Glasgow you would have to move into the Mk1s if you were going beyond Fort Bill.

And if you made the switch quickly enough at Fort William you could have a 20 for haulage on the stock shunt!


There were also the Liverpool and Manchester to Glasgow and Edinburgh services where some combinations of departure and arrival station required a walk through the train.

 

[dalesrail]

Blackburn to Kirkby, although currently services are only going as far as Rainford. Usually 2×150, platforms between Pemberton and Rainford can only accommodate two carriages. Sometimes all four carriages are left in use and the guard will carry out local door opening only.

 

[Magdalia]

Many moons ago when the Fort Bill sleeper actually started in Mallaig as 3 Mk1s, these coaches only went as far as Queen St. If you were going beyond Glasgow you had to move into one of the Mk2s that were added at Fort Bill. Similarly on the Northbound from South of Glasgow you would have to move into the Mk1s if you were going beyond Fort Bill.

In the 1960s there was a 1715 Colchester-Glasgow. Also the Fort William sleeper in those days was a portion of a Kings Cross-Aberdeen (the Fort William sleeper only switched to Euston in 1976). The Fort William sleeper was attached to the Colchester train to get it from Edinburgh to Glasgow, where it was attached to the Glasgow-Mallaig train.

This meant that it was possible to go all the way from Colchester to Mallaig without stepping onto a platform, though it required moving twice within the train, once between Edinburgh and Glasgow, and again between Glasgow and Fort William.

 

[plymothian]

If travelling from Saltash/St Germans/Lostwithiel to Camborne on a 9 car IET, the front (up to 4 carriages) is platformed when boarding and the rear when alighting.
The train pulls beyond the platform at Camborne so its not blocking the level crossing.

 

[L401CJF]

There's an evening journey from Birmingham International to Holyhead (TfW) which runs as a 4 car from Birmingham to Chester then gains another 2 coaches at Chester. These 2 (rear) coaches then come off at Llandudno Junction. Normally, the extra 2 coaches should already be waiting at Chester so are empty and the 4 car from BHI attaches and will be the 4 that continue all the way to HHD. However the 2 car often arrives late meaning the 4 car from BHI arrives into Chester first. This means the rear set on the original 4 car from Birmingham now detatches at Junction, so anybody for stations beyond Junction have to move forward.