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Tyne and Wear Metro Future

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I believe the old line ran south of Scotswood Rd (through what is now Newcastle Business Park) and crossed over it approximately where the junction with Whitehouse Rd is today. That section north of Scotswood Rd is used today as a footpath/cyclepath (NCN72) - although the formation has been broken in two by the A1 western bypass.

There may be room for tram tracks between the Business Park and Scotswood Rd though.

Looking at the map though its crossing from Gateshead so are they going to build another bridge or go round and use the old rail bridge next to the road bridge then go straight up - Cant see anything on the map thats going to come from Elswick along to Scotswood then up. It goes Elswick > General.

Without reading this more Im guessing they would have such service on a loop in each direction?

Street running? Nah not in the West end, would never last.
 
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I would imagine that they'd have combined rolling stock for the Metro and Tram sections. This isn't an obstacle at all, Brussels has the Premetro and it works well, something like the Bombardier Flexity would do the job perfectly.
The only issue I see is that street-running trams tend to be narrower than other stock - up to 50cm narrower.
 

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Looking at the map though its crossing from Gateshead so are they going to build another bridge or go round and use the old rail bridge

It'll be interesting, the (rail) Scotswood Bridge is derelict and has only been left standing because of the water and gas mains on it.
 

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It'll be interesting, the (rail) Scotswood Bridge is derelict and has only been left standing because of the water and gas mains on it.

True, but they want to run from the Metrocentre up to Scotswood. The bridge is pointing at the wrong angle to do something like that.
 

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I was guessing they'd be thinking Denton Road and over the existing road bridge, but that might have all sorts of problems (elevation change for one) - not counting the traffic snarl-ups there currently are in that neck of the woods - I was also thinking "straight up" the West Road - they could be thinking of an "Elswick" stop near Elswick row - basically having this replacing the 10/11/38 bus at that end of the city.
 

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The Metrocar roofs are lower than standard trains because on most of the network the overhead line was put under existing bridges so the BR standard clearance no longer exists. Exceptions are from Benton to Fawdon which was used by BR freight trains, plus Pelaw to Sunderland of course (not sure about South Hylton).

Normal tram maximum width is 2.65m, as in Manchester, Croydon, Blackpool, Sheffield, Edinburgh. Nottingham is narrower due to tight curves in the city centre. Metrocars are wider than this, as they reach almost to the platforms even on those routes where heavy rail did or does run. But there would be no problem with fitting something like a Manchester M5000 with larger steps to bridge this gap if it didn't have to run on street, allowing use of a nearly standard design. Tram-trains have to have moveable steps for each doorway to bridge the gap when calling at heavy rail platforms.

Tram-train designs seem to be able to fit a 25kV transformer without too much difficulty (or a 15kV one which would be about the same size) so there shouldn't be a problem fitting one in the Metro cross-section. In fact Metrolink probably has a similar overall height limit and definitely has the same platform height, so the same design of tram-train would do for both.

I suspect the old line on the north bank of the Tyne is being kept in reserve in case HS2 ever arrives on Tyneside.
 
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True, but they want to run from the Metrocentre up to Scotswood. The bridge is pointing at the wrong angle to do something like that.

The other issue is that there are no bridges over the Tyne between the Redheugh bridge and the Chain Bridge (aka the Scotswood (road) bridge) (and no ferry services either for that matter) which is quite a large gap. There would be a case for building a bridge or similar in order to give some provision over that section.
 

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Looking at the map though its crossing from Gateshead so are they going to build another bridge or go round and use the old rail bridge next to the road bridge then go straight up - Cant see anything on the map thats going to come from Elswick along to Scotswood then up. It goes Elswick > General.

Without reading this more Im guessing they would have such service on a loop in each direction?

Street running? Nah not in the West end, would never last.

Also, to run from West/Westgate Road to the Metrocentre would be a complicated business given that it runs on top of a hill for a large part of its journey. Besides, if it was run with 25kV-capable units it would probably be just as cost-effective to electrify and run on the Tyne Valley line. ISTR that its speed limit east of Metrocentre is always less than 50mph.

As a slight aside, a 70mph-capable (during segregation) train-tram would be able to reach Blaydon or even Hexham (subject to power supply) without being able to reach its speed limit.

As a second aside, I presume the scope of the study is such that only TWITA/Nexus-area destinations were considered; assuming NECAT goes ahead as planned then there should be scope to extend into County Durham and Northumberland, although whether tram-trains would ever be able to go fast enough to use the ECML is another matter altogether.
 

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The other issue is that there are no bridges over the Tyne between the Redheugh bridge and the Chain Bridge

...and the Chain Bridge probably isn't suitable for taking the weight of tram infrastructure. They had a lot of problems with it when it first opened, and I don't see that much will have changed.

Using the Blaydon Bridge would work- avoiding elevation changes too- but the impact on A1 traffic would be interesting.
 

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It'll be interesting, the (rail) Scotswood Bridge is derelict and has only been left standing because of the water and gas mains on it.
Also the trackbed is occupied by a trading estate with numerous light industrial units built over it.

I would assume that NEXUS would want the metro stop to be somewhere near the existing rail and bus interchange (like Meadowhall) which would make the Scotswood bridge totally unsuitable regardless of the buildings that are in the way.

Google Earth
 

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Hi all,

I've set up a new thread about the Tyne and Wear Metro regarding a list of Fleet which have been refurbished.

If any of you travel on the metro in the near future and/or have any knowledge already of which Metro's are refurbished and which are still old model's please could you contribute to the discussion.

The link for the thread is below;
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthre...44#post1761844

If the link doesn't work, just search for Tyne & Wear Metro: Fleet Refurbishment List in the forums.


Many thanks :D

Tom
 
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