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Ugliest EMU/DMU

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samuelmorris

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A fine example of energy-efficiency, running 12-car units up and down all the commuter lines all day :P - I agree in principle but in practice, just for an aesthetic improvement, such an idea is nonsense. That said, corridor connections aren't a requirement on all routes.
 
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Fixed formations is exactly what's being done with the new Thameslink and Crossrail fleets and probably the future Moorgate line fleet. It's what London Underground has moved to- in the past the reason for so many fleets having intermediate cabs is that they did indeed split and join.

There's more and more lines, especially serving London, where trains are running around in long formations all the time anyway- generally because they need to.

There's some Japanese stock has a clever approach. On some lines the stock will have two subclasses- one long and one short. They operate from the main terminal with (say) the short stock always at the country end- this will split off and go to a minor destination beyond the main one or on a branch. They have connections only on the "inner" ends, but those are still full driving ends, so both units can operate independently, but for the bulk of the operations the drivers get the better working environment of a full width cab
 

Len Stanway

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The Class 140 is the biggest disappointment I have had, especially when compared with the standard Leyland National front end.
 

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There's some Japanese stock has a clever approach. On some lines the stock will have two subclasses- one long and one short. They operate from the main terminal with (say) the short stock always at the country end- this will split off and go to a minor destination beyond the main one or on a branch. They have connections only on the "inner" ends, but those are still full driving ends, so both units can operate independently, but for the bulk of the operations the drivers get the better working environment of a full width cab

The defunct class 126 of 1957 vintage had basically the same idea! When some intermediates were placed over as least some of threadput them on the most ugly shortlist ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_126
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Glasgow_Central_Cravens_split_code_end_Class_126_and_Class_107.jpg
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scot-rail.co.uk%2Fphoto%2Fscaled%2F9868.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scot-rail.co.uk%2Fphoto%2Fscaled%2F9868%2F&h=535&w=800&tbnid=SwPzWpTdIC0NqM%3A&zoom=1&docid=rf86hyYOh4g3_M&ei=MTtrVOPuKYOuOKCOgCg&tbm=isch&client=firefox-a&ved=0CDsQMygNMA0&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=462&page=1&start=0&ndsp=26
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http://preserved.railcar.co.uk/Images/126/51017-1991-04-Stuart-Mackay.jpg
 

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I have to say the 455s (early versions) and 317s (ditto). The later versions of both had the cab roof line smoothed, making a huge difference. The various 'Pacers' were pretty dire as well.

The aesthetic side of train design is, understandably, often placed low on the scale of importance, but some iconic designs have emerged almost purely based on looks - the A4s with their original wheel valances were largely a result of the importance attached to design in the 20s and 30s (and only partly due to genuine aerodynamics which really only kick in with any significance above about 90/100mph ), and the Bulleid pacifics' air-smoothing was really just a design statement which made maintenance harder! I remember my father telling me that the first time he saw a brand new 'Merchant Navy' at Woking in 1941, he thought it was science fiction, it was such a radical design! The opposite applied to another Bulleid design, the Q1 0-6-0, which was built to be as easy to maintain as possible and looked like a badly-built kit as a result!
Slight deviation from the EMU/DMU subject but the same principles apply - concentration on form or function often produces different results. It's often the case that functional designs arise in times of austerity - hence the cheap and cheerful/miserable 'Pacers' were attempts to provide low-cost rail vehicles at a time when the railways were struggling to be cost-effective.
BTW, I always liked the original 309s with wrap-round windscreens and in BR maroon livery - very elegant and fast (100mph) units.
 
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mr_jarhead

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Hmm I have to disagree...

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The SWT 455/8 every time.

Agreed, the circumcised front on the Southern 455s look worse than SWTs refurb.

Class 458

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so ugly
 
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