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http://www.railtechnologymagazine.c...ultra-light-rail-service-in-the-west-midlands

Funding is being sought for a new scheme in the West Midlands.

A new Ultra light rail service between Dudley and Sandwell could be opened within five years, alongside a new National Centre for Development of Very Light Rail Technology, it has been reported.

The Express and Star is reporting*that a tram-train or similar service could transport passengers from Dudley Port station in Tipton to the site of Dudley’s former station at the bottom of Castle Hill, close to Dudley Zoo and the Black Country Living Museum.The scheme has been unveiled following a deal struck between Dudley Council and Warwick Manufacturing Group at the University of Warwick, which wants to use it as a pilot to trial the next generation of very light rail vehicles.

The group wants to open a National Centre For Development of Very Light Rail Technology at the new station. About 45 people would work at the site, overseeing the pilot service to Dudley Port and developing the technology.

The plan would see two new tracks laid down on a disused freight line from Dudley Port to the town. The first will be used for the passenger service, the second will be used by the group to develop the ultra light rail vehicles.

The paper is reporting that the group and council have secured support from Centro, the West Midlands Integrated Transport Authority.Cllr Khurshid Ahmed, Dudley Council's cabinet member for transport, told the paper that a business case was being written up for funding from the project. Bids will be made to the government's Local Growth Fund and the European Union.

He said: "The passenger tram train service would be the jewel in the crown for the continued regeneration of Dudley. It would bring huge potential for the town, bringing in millions of new visitors who currently face difficulty getting to the town and its attractions. Thirty seven million people visit Birmingham each year, with 70% coming in on train – we need an easy link for those people into Dudley."He added that the scheme is dependent on funding but that he is confident it will happen. Work could start next year, with opening of the passenger service planned within five years.

The Warwick Manufacturing Group won funding last year as part of the Revolution Very Light Rail (VLR) Consortium to kick-start its project building on the ultra light rail service from the Stourbridge Shuttle”, which has operated between Stourbridge Junction and Stourbridge town centre since 2009.
 
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I'm not familar with Dudley bit have heard it's the largest town with no train station within its borders. Is a small railbus/tramtrain big enough? It sounds like it will go to some important places.
It must be long awaited good news for locals or would a Midland Metro tramway be prefered?
 
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I just hope this idea doesn't prevent the route being used for tram train or full heavy rail in future from Stourbridge to Walsall (particularly freight).
 

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I don't know Dudley but I'm a great believer in trams and in this context I've seen and read Dudley and Merry Hill mentioned numerous times over the years by Centro and its predecessors: on this basis can't Centro and the local authority/authorities produce a viable plan which they're prepared to back with enthusiasm and the promise of injection of some local cash, including from the owners of Merry Hill Shopping Centre if included in the scheme? Don't do a Bristol and squabble among yourselves wasting a deal of time and money to no avail. Build on the relative success of Brum to Wolves.
 

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Metro line 1 actually hasn't been particularly successful, probably because it doesn't really reach the centre of Wolverhampton and in Birmingham it is even worse. Fortunately the Birmingham end is being extended and the same is likely at the other end.

It's still not clear what is being proposed here as I've seen tram-train mentioned as well as ultra-light rail. The problem with ULR is that except in unusual cases like Stourbridge the small vehicle doesn't carry enough people to justify the costs of providing the route, even though the infrastructure and vehicles are somewhat cheaper than a full-scale tramway. Also the technology may not be scalable - for example it would be very difficult to adapt the Parry system to have two drives working together on a larger vehicle. The Parry vehicle has a similar cost per seat to conventional light rail vehicles so significant economies of scale would be needed if it was made larger.
 

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Metro line 1 actually hasn't been particularly successful, probably because it doesn't really reach the centre of Wolverhampton and in Birmingham it is even worse. Fortunately the Birmingham end is being extended and the same is likely at the other end.

It's still not clear what is being proposed here as I've seen tram-train mentioned as well as ultra-light rail. The problem with ULR is that except in unusual cases like Stourbridge the small vehicle doesn't carry enough people to justify the costs of providing the route, even though the infrastructure and vehicles are somewhat cheaper than a full-scale tramway. Also the technology may not be scalable - for example it would be very difficult to adapt the Parry system to have two drives working together on a larger vehicle. The Parry vehicle has a similar cost per seat to conventional light rail vehicles so significant economies of scale would be needed if it was made larger.

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It depends on what you regard as the centre of Wolverhampton... it doesn't go to the rail or bus stations, that is true but they aren't actually in the city centre! Without an alignment change, which would be necessary in order for the tram to go to the rail station as I believe is planned, extending the tram would involve it in going straight through the (rather large) Mander shopping centre.....
 

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It depends on what you regard as the centre of Wolverhampton... it doesn't go to the rail or bus stations, that is true but they aren't actually in the city centre! Without an alignment change, which would be necessary in order for the tram to go to the rail station as I believe is planned, extending the tram would involve it in going straight through the (rather large) Mander shopping centre.....

Sounds like "Ultra" light rail might be ideal for going through a shopping centre :lol:
 

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Ultra Light Rail is basically a smaller scale and lower cost version of light rail, which also has lower capacity and probably a lower top speed. The best known example is the Parry People Mover though various other companies have dipped their toe into the idea over the years.
 

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They're certainly not extending the Metro down here to my knowledge - I've not lived here long, but I can see there is nowhere at all for the Metro to go in Wolverhampton except possibly the bus station, and nowhere any further of use, except maybe Bentley Bridge - and they'd have to divert it away from the city centre for that.
I don't see a diversion to the rail station being of much use - it's just outside the city ring road, whereas the tram stop is inside, and much more convenient for shoppers. being in very close proximity to the Mander/Wulfruna centre.
I thought Stourbridge was light rail, and to that end ultra light would be a handcart, or that car with train wheels that Top Gear did or something...
but that doesn't make sense, I assume it means something of the ilk of PPMs again.
 

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Stourbridge is Ultra Light Rail.

There was originally a plan for a one-way loop round Wolverhampton with a branch to the railway station, but Centro are now pushing for a two-way extension past the bus station to the railway station which would leave the existing terminus with only some of the services.

http://www.centro.org.uk/transport/metro/other-metro-extensions/wolverhampton-extension/

This could in theory be the start of the 5Ws route to Wednesbury via Walsall, which was being looked at about 10 years ago but is very unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future - it was still on the website a few months back but now seems to have gone.

There is also an aspiration for Metro from Wednesbury via Dudley to Merry Hill, which could be tram-train or parallel tracks if the railway is re-opened. This has also been taken off the Centro website.
 

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According to the Parry People Movers newsletter, This plan involves a 2-car railbus by PPM and will start at Stourbridge Junc' and run on new track alongside current mainline before the branch. It will pass housing, industries and a hospital and end at The Waterfront in Brierley Hill, not the Merry Hill centre. The line will share tracks with freight and the next section of track will be a Midland Metro line to Wednesbury.

This was issue 59 from 2011, but it might be the same plan considering how slow planning is.
 
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Sorry I've been having problems with this site splitting and merging text while I'm still trying to post on my phone. Very annoyed.

The "Ultra Light Rail" for Dudley will get government funding of £4.5mn according to Gov.uk website. The £20mn plan will get council funding too and work should start next year. It should open in 5 years.
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A West Midlands railway line which has been closed to passengers for 50 years could be reopened in a £20m scheme.Dudley Council and Warwick Manufacturing Group (WMG) - part of the University of Warwick - plans to reconnect Dudley to the national rail network and build a "light rail innovation hub" in the town centre.The hub, which would create 50 jobs, would develop light rail technology.The council said the scheme was a "major coup for Dudley".
That's what BBC say.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/growth-deals-gain-momentum-firing-up-local-economies

This is what the government said:
Investment in innovation and new technologies to enable cities and communities to compete globally

This includes:£4.5 million to establish a Very Light Rail Innovation Centre in the Black Country which will help to create new public transport technologies for the future
 
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Believe it when I see it, all that reads to me is that they will get funding for the Innovation centre, not to build the thing.
 

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That story was updated a few weeks ago, after talking to more of the people involved:

Funding sought for new ultra light rail service in the West Midlands
(Above: Libary image of a proposed ultra light rail vehicle design, courtesy Revolution VLR Consortium, which is involved in the Dudley-Sandwell project)

The Revolution Very Light Rail (VLR) Consortium won ‘Radical Train’ funding last year for its bid to develop ultra light rail vehicles – and it is already planning potential passenger services.

The Consortium is made up of TDI (Europe) Ltd (Transport Design International), Unipart Rail Ltd, Warwick Manufacturing Group centre HVM Catapult, Trelleborg PPL Ltd, Allectra Ltd and GKN Land Systems, and is developing a low-carbon, very-lightweight passenger railcar via a demonstrator.

It says: “Revolution VLR's hybrid propulsion technology will be combined with a self-powered bogie and modular, composite bodyshell design. The project intends to utilise off-the-shelf componentry to reduce manufacturing cost and improve reliability and maintainability.”

Radical Train is the competition run by FutureRailway (previously the Enabling Innovation Team) to encourage novel approaches to re-thinking the basics of rolling stock and to bring about a “step change in performance” on UK railways.

Revolution VLR’s plan is to pilot and develop its vehicle as an ultra light rail service between Dudley and Sandwell, which has enthusiastic support from the local councils and Centro, the West Midlands transport authority. The ambition is to have it running within five years, alongside a new National Centre for Development of Very Light Rail Technology.

The new service could transport passengers from Dudley Port station in Tipton to the site of Dudley’s former station at the bottom of Castle Hill.

'Unique drivetrain'

RTM talked to Martin Pemberton, CEO and president of TDI. He said: “We started in June, so we’re six months into the development programme. Most of the work has centred around developing the drivetrain – it’s a series hybrid drivetrain built into the bogies, so it’s quite unique – and also a lightweight bodyshell, which we’re currently scheming out. The traction method will be clean diesel, driving electrically-driven bogies.

“It’s early days, but we’re making good progress and we’re on schedule. The intention is to deliver a demonstrator vehicle within two years of the June 2014 start date.”

Ambitions are not limited to Dudley. Pemberton said: “We’ve been talking to a number of people about other places it might operate: it’s got great potential, especially operating on smaller lines and branch lines, where heavier, more expensive trains would not be cost-effective.

“We really do hope the Dudley opportunity will be the first demonstration of the technology. That’s what we’re working toward, and if we can get a successful operation running there, then that obviously opens up opportunities in lots of other places.”

Asked whether it could be in passenger operation within five years, he said: “It’s eminently possible. The technology we can do, we can manufacture things quickly, we do that a lot – it’s really having the political will to make it happen. We need the funding and for politicians to green-light it.

“There are other potential applications, particularly with [replacing] the ageing Pacer fleet.”

Standards and derogations

A traditional problem with radical new vehicles for the national network has been the standards, particularly on crashworthiness. The Consortium says it wants to “evaluate the application of existing, essentially ‘heavy rail’, safety standards to VLR railcars and produce a discussion paper”.

Pemberton told us: “The easy win is the branch lines, because in terms of regulation, it’s easier when they’re operating on a segregated route. The minute you cross onto a main line, you’re into a different area of conformity. But we wouldn’t rule that out, and we’re working with the existing standards.

“In fact, we’re tasked with challenging some of them: the RSSB are a stakeholder in the project, that’s one of the things they’ve asked us to do. If we come to a point where, for example, the current crashworthiness requirements seem onerous for what we’re trying to achieve with a lightweight vehicle, then we’ve got to flag that up.”

A centre of excellence for light rail innovation

The Black Country strategic economic plan describes the region’s hope of becoming “the UK Centre of Excellence for Light Rail Innovation…which, utilising opportunities for a demonstrator track, will create opportunities for skills and employment, and develop the capacity in the UK to build rather than import light rail vehicles.”

The new vehicles being developed by Revolution VLR are a separate solution to the Stourbridge Shuttle, which has operated between Stourbridge Junction and Stourbridge town centre since 2009. Its operators want to find new routes for its Class 139 Parry People Movers. Phil Evans, director of PMOL (Pre Metro Operations Ltd), which operates the Stourbridge Shuttle under contract with London Midland, told RTM: “We progress and continue to talk to those interested in using our innovative technology combined with an efficient method of work.

“We are heavily involved in the quoted Dudley proposal and we are in firm discussions with the local authority to be the operator of the line. We are also looking at Malaysian and African applications. Other potential UK use may include Oswestry-Gobowen and Stocksbridge-Deepcar. It is however disappointing that there is little interest yet in including similar proposals in future re-franchising bids, although with the current railcars our reliability in now above 99.7% and therefore there are considerable benefits accruing to the existing London Midland franchise. Old traditions die hard elsewhere.”

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Look, we all like a trier but after getting on for six years operation on the 10 minute duration run at Stourbridge how many other projects have got off the ground and adopted these PPM transit busses on rail ? None.

The reason, as someone above has mentioned, the cost of the infrastructure investment to re-instate closed lines, or open new ones, demands a payback. Even in their wildest dreams one vehicle with the capacity of an average single decker bus isn't going to deliver. It's very easy to do when the infrastructure is thrown in for free as at Stourbridge. Something entirely different when it has to be built / rebuilt.

Instead of extracting precious public funds to fund pipe dreams isn't it about time the money was set aside to enhance the existing tram network in Birmingham / Black Country to places like Dudley and its surrounds. Do we really need another development of an inadequate tram style system or whatever buzz name they choose to call it which seems primarily to serve academic interests.
 
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Look, we all like a trier but after getting on for six years operation on the 10 minute duration run at Stourbridge how many other projects have got off the ground and adopted these? None.

The reason, as someone above has mentioned, the cost of the infrastructure investment to re-instate closed lines, or open new ones, demands a payback. Even in their wildest dreams one vehicle with the capacity of an average single decker bus isn't going to deliver.

That's kind-of the issue. There's nothing that the PPM can do, unless there's an existing line to chuck it on like Stourbridge, that a well-appointed modern single decker bus with a bit of sensible bus priority can't.

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For heaven's sake... If the scheme cannot even be justified as 'light rail' then just lay a road and call it a bloody busway. Is it really necessary to spend a colossal sum of money laying a railway line to then run something on it which resembles a bus anyway? When will the planners of these needlessly expensive schemes drop this ridiculous mentality that if it has rails it must be wonderful but if it's a bus it's utter crap?! I thought there was supposed to be such a thing as 'integrated transport' - I fail to see how that concept is promoted by these loons insisting on turning everything into a 'railway line' at a cost of millions, even when the rolling stock looks like a cardboard minibus with some Hornby wheels on it. What a senseless waste.
 
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Really cannot understand why there is not a high priority for a direct connection from Dudley Town Centre to Birmingham Snow Hill on Midland Metro.
 

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This just seems like Dudley Council will take anything they can get instead of thinking logically. A railway with tiny capacity will get full quickly and then what? Stourbridge has shown just how successful it can be but not even going to Brierley Hill is odd.

Re-opening the whole route to Wasall and Stourbridge surly has a decent BCR and should be the priority.
 

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Really cannot understand why there is not a high priority for a direct connection from Dudley Town Centre to Birmingham Snow Hill on Midland Metro.

I don't think there is any obvious route to use for a direct Metro service, so the proposed route via Wednesbury is very indirect - especially between Birmingham and Merry Hill. This can't help its business case much. I seem to remember the area between Wednesbury and Dudley is a bit of a post-industrial desert too.

Maybe someone should look at building a branch from Cradley Heath via Merry Hill to join the Stourbridge-Dudley line and running tram-trains?
 

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Really cannot understand why there is not a high priority for a direct connection from Dudley Town Centre to Birmingham Snow Hill on Midland Metro.

There are plans for Dudley to Birmingham on the Midland Metro.
This is the Dudley to Stourbridge section which will open earlier with Parry People Movers.
The PPM newsletter 59 showed a helpful map and can be downloaded as a pdf. There used to be a map by Centro but that's gone now.

As for others saying a bus is better. The Stourbridge Town route had 99.97% reliabillity which no bus can match.
 
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Which is why LM cry when it fails, it artificially keeps their overall PPM up. As for a BCR for Walsall Round Oak, there is a viaduct which needs a lot of work which boosts the price right up.
 

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There are plans for Dudley to Birmingham on the Midland Metro.
This is the Dudley to Stourbridge section which will open earlier with Parry People Movers.
The PPM newsletter 59 showed a helpful map and can be downloaded as a pdf. There used to be a map by Centro but that's gone now.

PPM's and freight trains will not and should not mix unless crash worthiness of the PPM is brought up to the standard of any other new mainline rolling stock. That's why those at Stourbridge are locked in to their own little patch of the network. never the twain do meet.
So either;

1. PPM's are built to be compatible with main line running.

2. Complete isolation of main line and PPM's is made by running two single lines with whatever passing facilities are needed to run a decent interval passenger service.

3. An automatic train protection system is installed to guarantee mode separation.

Either way PPM's seem to offer an inadequate and unscalable solution or require a bespoke and therefore expensive signalling system to ensure separation, or pose a threat to the existing freight traffic. Not of course forgetting the running conflict at Stourbridge junction with LM and Chiltern services.

If it's going to be done (using PPM's or something else) it will need to be done properly with robust rolling stock and room for expansion which will inevitably follow if the service provision is made attractive from day one. If not, spend the money elsewhere and forget this love in with PPM Ltd. They may be local to the area but that doesn't make them a suitable proposition for serious rail reinstatement.
 
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