Union of South Africa damages Carriage gangway on the ELR

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  1. rdlover777

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    So, this happened. a mate of mine sent me this today on twitter and its a video of Union of South Africa tearing off the gangway of a coach it was pulling away from.



    How is this even possible?
     
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  3. Grumpy Git

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    Corridor curtains are not quite upto being used as a coupling.
     
  4. 36270k

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    The van has a screw coupling and a british std gangway, the A4 has a buckeye couple and pullman gangway. A british std gangway has a locking lever on each side that must be opened.

    From the video, it looks like the lever on the platform side was released but not on the other side.
     
  5. racyrich

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    Is it normal to always connect a corridor tender's corridor connection? It seems like alot of aggravation when it's not actually going to be used.
    Or do unconnected connections cause problems?
     
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    I think the RAIB will need to investigate this, someone on the platform could easily have been injured by flying debris.
     
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    Not necessarily. Whilst it may be reportable to them, they may decide that it doesn’t need investigation as the cause is known and there’s no real recommendations to be made.
     
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    Should there have been any movement of any vehicle involved before an investigation has been carried out by at least the ELR Management?
     
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    The fact that they slinked off after this is extremely poor, not even so much as an inspection.
     
  10. 30907

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    A visual inspection, involving someone dressed as footplate crew, is seen taking place in the video.
     
  11. SPADTrap

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    Woefully inadequate at best...
     
  12. Aictos

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    So how much will it cost to repair the damage caused and how long to do the repairs?
     
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    According to Nigel Harris of Rail on Twitter, may have been something snagged rather than any act of omission.

    https://twitter.com/RAIL/status/1209154154381369349
     
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    There but for the grace of God. Easy to judge, hard to understand.
     
  15. alexl92

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    The A4 also has a standard screw coupling so not sure why that’s relevant? (Forgive me if I’m missing something obvious!)

    A few people online have mentioned this - does anyone know if it’s standard practise to always connect it up?
     
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    From what I've read elsewhere, I had the impression the two types of corridor weren't compatible
     
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    Perhaps they where intending to change crews east cost style between Bury and Ramsbottom :)
     
  18. Grumpy Git

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    They certainly aren't now.
     
  19. Edders23

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    Ah well gave the crowd a story to tell everyone but not really a major incident might cost a bob or two to repair but hardly a major mishap

    and in a way it's quite funny !
     
  20. Nighthawke

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    ...and what way would that be? Hardly a Ho Ho Ho moment!
     
  21. Edders23

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    Just heard that they have temporarily renamed the loco Disunion of south africa
     
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    I laughed
     
  23. rdlover777

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    if i may ask, how does Union's gangway work with the coaches gangway if Union has a standard LNER/Pullman one while the coach has an NER like one
     
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    But why would they use the corridor connection? Surely they’d just be better off leaving them unattached?
     
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    AIUI they didn't. See link in post #12
     
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    Thanks!
     
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  29. dubscottie

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    The gangway on the van would have been retracted and clipped and feet away from the faceplate of 60009s tender.

    Note how the faceplate on the tender is pulled out in exactly the same place that the clips on the BSG are located.

    They MUST have been connected regardless of what Nigel Harris says. It is the only way it could have happened.
     
  30. Merle Haggard

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    Coupling coaches with British Standard and Pullman gangways was very common. All GW and LMS coaches had BS gangways and, as the proportion of BR Standard coaches with Pullman gangways increased, inevitably such connections had to be made - most trains were far from uniform and some LMS and at least one GW coaches lasted long enough to be repainted blue & grey.. In those days I never heard of the clip 'snagging' but people did check.
    An incident occurred on another 'heritage railway' where an LNER Pacific (with buckeye corridor tender) was coupled to a matching set of coaches. Unfortunately, the saddle was not lifted from the buffer stem of the adjacent coach. It was quite difficult to couple up, though this was eventually achieved by some straining; but, unsurprisingly, extremely difficult to separate.
    The number of incidents (some fatal) on these lines that have attracted the attention of RAIB is interesting, and incidents like this one do suggest enthusiasm is trumping expertise.
     
  31. Edders23

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    the thing is preserved railways rely on volunteers many of whom would not know all the ins and outs of coupling locos and carriages. Things can go wrong but as long as the consequences are not dangerous they are a learning opportunity

    Hands up anyone on here who has never made a mistake
     

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