Use season ticket on alternate route?

[strange_cat]

I have a Woking to Waterloo monthly season ticket. Is this ticket valid to travel via Weybridge if I want to break my journey at Richmond and Putney (also on the Waterloo line)?

 

[johnmb]

indeed you can. If you look at the ever useful, though slightly perplexing National Routing Guide http://www.atoc.org/rsp/_downloads/Routeing_Guide/enrg.htm it will show you that the Woking to London permitted route maps are WV and WX, one being via Weybridge and Wimbledon; and the other via Richmond

 

[strange_cat]

Excellent, thanks.
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I have a Woking to Waterloo monthly season ticket. Is this ticket valid to travel via Weybridge if I want to break my journey at Richmond and Putney (also on the Waterloo line)?

Apologies I am getting terminology confused! I want to terminate at Putney, not break there as I don't need to get to Waterloo for this journey. Does this make a difference?

Also, can I use this ticket to start my journey a station other than Woking when alighting at Putney?

 

[johnmb]

season tickets allow break of journey for any point along the route being travelled, so if you have a Woking to Wateroo season ticket but wanted to start your journey at Weybridge and end it at Putney then yes you would be able to do this.

Putney is before London so effectively you are getting off before your stop, but you have paid for a ticket that's valid for several stops further up the line. It is definitely allowed.

 

[Oracle]

Trains are regularly diverted during engineering works Byfleet-Virginia Water-Clapham Junction and there are Woking-Waterloo via Staines trains so it would to these poor eyes nonsensical if the proposed route was banned!

Even on the Underground you could stop off at a station before that on the season, and in fact in the past I used to be given Seasons to Leicester Square instead of Piccadilly Circus, but only ever used to go to LS to try and get on a train from Piccadilly if my home station was busy.

 

[strange_cat]

Many thanks for your help.

 

[glynn80]

Trains are regularly diverted during engineering works Byfleet-Virginia Water-Clapham Junction and there are Woking-Waterloo via Staines trains so it would to these poor eyes nonsensical if the proposed route was banned!

This shouldn't be used as a rule of thumb. Engineering works cause new routeing options to become open to passengers. NXEC diverting via Carlisle for example- A ticket from Sunderland to Edinburgh would not normally be valid via Carlisle but because of the following statement in the routeing guide it becomes a permitted route

Any through train diverted from its usual route will count as a permitted route between the stations it is normally scheduled to call at. This does not apply to additional stops on the diversionary route, unless specially advised or they are on the permitted route for the journey being made.

So just because an operator uses a route as a diversionary one does not make a ticket valid via that route when engineering work is not occuring (although in this circumstance it is).

 

[Mojo]

This shouldn't be used as a rule of thumb. Engineering works cause new routeing options to become open to passengers. NXEC diverting via Carlisle for example- A ticket from Sunderland to Edinburgh would not normally be valid via Carlisle but because of the following statement in the routeing guide it becomes a permitted route

Any through train diverted from its usual route will count as a permitted route between the stations it is normally scheduled to call at. This does not apply to additional stops on the diversionary route, unless specially advised or they are on the permitted route for the journey being made.

So just because an operator uses a route as a diversionary one does not make a ticket valid via that route when engineering work is not occuring (although in this circumstance it is).

For example; a Hereford to Bristol Parkway ticket is valid via Birmingham New Str as you could have come in on the line through Stourbridge and go out through Barnt Green. At present there are engineering works on Sundays meaning the trains leaving New Str towards Bristol travel through Stourbridge?

Does this mean that you can still use this ticket to go through Birmingham?

 

[glynn80]

For example; a Hereford to Bristol Parkway ticket is valid via Birmingham New Str as you could have come in on the line through Stourbridge and go out through Barnt Green. At present there are engineering works on Sundays meaning the trains leaving New Str towards Bristol travel through Stourbridge?

Does this mean that you can still use this ticket to go through Birmingham?

Yes this means you can still use Birmingham as a valid route as long as the train you take calls at Birmingham New Street and Bristol Parkway. You would not be able to break your journey if the train stopped anywhere that wasn't a permitted route when engineering works are not occuring though.

 

[Oracle]

I am glad to say that in the above case I was being route-specific in relation to the question. However, I am obliged as always for the extra new information. When I had a season from Swanwick-Waterloo I went either via Southampton Central or via Havant and the Guildford Direct as the mood took me, or if I was late frove to Parkway and then went from there. On the return the trains were eventually booked to go to Guildford via Cobham, and on one occasion sent south to Eastleigh instead, and thence via Botley to Fareham. I think all three main routes were permitted (i.e. change at Fareham then via Eastleigh), plus Southern to Clapham via Hove or Arundel?

 

[t0ffeeman]

Used to travel between Farnborough and Richmond with a Farnborough to Z456 weekly travelcard. Used the following routes:

Farnborough - New Malden
Farnborough - Suirbiton then bus to Kingston & Richmond
Farnborough N - Wokingham - Richmond
Frimley - Ascot - Richmond
Farnborough N - Guildford - Surbiton (via Cobham or Woking)
Farnborough - Weybridge - Staines - Richmond
Farnborough - Brookwood - Ash Vale - Ascot - Richmond

Once went via Sutton & Epsom - Guildford but maybe that was taking the p!

Sometimes bought the season from Ash (at the same price) for a bit of variety, but mainly travelling between the same two places.

BTW, a point to point season via Clapham J was much dearer as vas via Zone 2

 

[paul1609]

I am glad to say that in the above case I was being route-specific in relation to the question. However, I am obliged as always for the extra new information. When I had a season from Swanwick-Waterloo I went either via Southampton Central or via Havant and the Guildford Direct as the mood took me, or if I was late frove to Parkway and then went from there. On the return the trains were eventually booked to go to Guildford via Cobham, and on one occasion sent south to Eastleigh instead, and thence via Botley to Fareham. I think all three main routes were permitted (i.e. change at Fareham then via Eastleigh), plus Southern to Clapham via Hove or Arundel?

On Southern a Swanwick to london terminals Season is also valid via Brighton, Dorking and even Lewes and also valid to London Bridge, waterloo east canon street and charing cross.

 

[Oracle]

I wonder if seaons from Southampton are valid on the Southern to London Bridge via Eastleigh?

 

[paul1609]

The Southern via Eastleigh service goes to Brighton these days. There is one direct service from Southampton to London bridge the 05.48 but this goes via Swanick.
Interestingly Southern wanted to run all the Brighton services via Eastleigh calling at Southampton Airport to provide a much needed public transport link to the South Coast but SWT objected.

 

[strange_cat]

Travelled from Woking to Putney via Clapham, and asked 3 different station staff before I boarded the train at Woking. They all said no you can't use your ticket, so I had to buy any extra ticket from Clapham to Putney, which I did. Out of curiousity, I tried my season ticket in the exit barrier at Putney, but it didn't let me through - told me to seek assistance.

 

[paul1609]

I wouldn't take the fact that barriers don't accept tickets to mean that a ticket isn't valid.
For about 9 months after they were installed the barriers at Portsmouth & Southsea wouldnt accept a Littlehampton to Portsmouth Stns season ticket.
I got fed up at this and emailed SWT who said theyd investigate. Shortly afterwards i discovered that if I bought a Portsmouth to Littlehampton Season even at littlehampton it worked okay!