Validation of Railcards

crablab

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I suspect an integrated national railway would develop their on line ticket purchasing system where the railcards were registered back to a single database integrated with your ticket sales software, so that if you set it up properly would know that your railcard was invalid and help prevent such errors occurring, but we don't seem to have that sort of approach in UK sadly for reasons no doubt outside the scope of this thread!
From another thread...

Railcards all carry an ID number (do ones sold at stations?). The plastic cards don't have a machine readable code, but the digital on phone ones do (don't know the type of code).

Given this, certainly online, why don't we ask people to 'add' a Railcard to their account and validate the ID provided against the database that exists?

Advantages:
- lots of metadata for RDG
- a degree of fraud prevention/mapping
- prevent innocent mistakes such as using an invalid Railcard etc.
 
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Haywain

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From another thread...

Railcards all carry an ID number (do ones sold at stations?). The plastic cards don't have a machine readable code, but the digital on phone ones do (don't know the type of code).

Given this, certainly online, why don't we ask people to 'add' a Railcard to their account and validate the ID provided against the database that exists?

Advantages:
- lots of metadata for RDG
- a degree of fraud prevention/mapping
- prevent innocent mistakes such as using an invalid Railcard etc.
Disadvantages:
- Lots of data sharing between different retailers.
- Lots of people not carrying a railcard and finding it unfair that they get challenged when travelling with discounted tickets (different type of innocent mistake).
- Lots of sharing of railcards and/or discounted tickets (ie: different types of fraud).
- Impossibility of buying tickets in advance without having a valid railcard (currently the railcard can be purchased later).
 

Bletchleyite

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I suppose the logic would be that the Railcard is a smartcard and the only way to issue discounted tickets is on that smartcard?

That is a considerable loss of flexibility, though.
 

Haywain

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I suppose the logic would be that the Railcard is a smartcard and the only way to issue discounted tickets is on that smartcard?

That is a considerable loss of flexibility, though.
I think the logic would be that the railcard is also a smartcard that tickets can be loaded on to, but that it could also be used in conjunction with e-tickets or paper tickets.
 

RPI

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Of interest, GWR have recently replaced Fujitsu star with TTK Avocet for on board ticket issuing (a far better system but that's another story) and I only discovered the other day that if you scan the QR code on a digital railcard whilst setting up to issue a ticket then it selects the relevant railcard into the discount field along with the railcard number, maybe this is something for the future.
 

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Of interest, GWR have recently replaced Fujitsu star with TTK Avocet for on board ticket issuing (a far better system but that's another story) and I only discovered the other day that if you scan the QR code on a digital railcard whilst setting up to issue a ticket then it selects the relevant railcard into the discount field along with the railcard number, maybe this is something for the future.
No need to thanks us ;)
 

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