I thought Merseytravel Conc passes are only valid on the Merseyrail network.
Bidston to Heswall yes.
And Kirkby to Rainford.
Or if people buy an e-ticket or mobile ticket they get fined on merseyrail because their ticketing policy dates back to before the 507/508s were even introduced and they refuse to accept any kind of electronic ticket (bar their own daysaver which hardly anyone knows they can get as an e ticket).
I've lost count of the number of times I have been unable to buy a ticket on board, and have to rush to ticket office at Bidston b4 the connecting train. TFW is probably not losing out on revenue towards Liverpool city due to Merseyrail penalty fares , but many must get free rides to the other stations on the borderlands route. Surely ticket vending machines should be a priority, or get Merseyrail to accept TFW e-tickets on their App. That way they may get real passenger numbers. You only need to see jump in passengers (b4 covid) at Heswall, where Merseytravel do pasenger surveys of travellers that is used to count passengers using their tickets such as Trio and Savaways
I think partly that, and partly because Merseytravel want roll out pay as you go tap in/out eventually. Given the fact its taken them over 10 years to get solo and railpass onto the Walrus/Metro Card, and still no trio available in smart format, it probably won't come in for at least 100 years.
That may be the case in Merseyside, but it is not a general rule. The time limits on over 60 passes in London are a minefield as they depend on the TOC you are using, sometimes even services on the same line. For example on the Overground and Elizabeth Line the tickets are valid from 0900 (it used to be all day) but on Southern, Greater Anglia and Great Western, on trains using the very same tracks - the limit is and always has been 0930, and Heathrow Express is off limits altogether (as is HS1 St Pancras to Stratford). (And it's not a TfL/non-TfL thing, because Chiltern, C2C, LMR, and parts of TSGN (the Northern City Line and part of Thameslink) have the 0900 cutoff)
Well it sounds like the Merseytravel approach is far more sensible.
Ha. Well they did lobby hard to stay in Cheshire so now they have to lie in it.
It's no different from London Underground - it's done on the basis that waiting for people to faff around with barcodes would cause congestion at the barriers.
There are exceptions like Chester and Ormskirk which is outside the Merseyside area and Merseyside ENCTS is valid for travel.
There is more to Neston than the railway station in the eyes of the residents there, though some on this website would think such a statement bordered on the heretical.
But only by train.
Let's just say that it has the reputation for being extremely insular. (Not that this is of any relevance for this thread)
It's also valid for buses outside Merseyside after 9.30am
Concessionary passes in Liverpool City Region start from the 60th birthday for local residents within the designated area, who would not be eligible for national schemes.
You're thinking of the over 60 pass which if I recall correctly operates only in London, disabled and state pension age ENCTS is absolutely valid round England.
Merseytravel do a 60+ one which used to be a yellow card, now in Metrocard style. Valid for bus and rail journeys in Merseyside only, plus Merseyrail to Chester/Ellesmere Port/Ormskirk.
and also single journeys on the Mersey ferry!
Plus bus journeys commencing before 06.30, something which does not apply in most other areas.
There's no requirement to rush or miss a train in order to buy a ticket at your interchange station. You're only required to buy a ticket at the first reasonable opportunity, which may be onboard one of your trains or at your interchange station, but in some circumstances it may be at your destination.
Unfortunately Merseyrail do seem to be a law unto themselves, routinely ignoring bits of the Penalty Fares Regulations where it suits them. The fact that you are in the right is little consolation if you're unlawfully issued with a Penalty Fare.
I bought a Merseyrail Daysaver online today for the first time, as Hooton station booking office was not working ("pay at destination").
Exactly. I would be saying to the staff member that, since they are refusing to accept a perfectly valid ticket, the problem is theirs and they have no power to issue a penalty fare when a valid ticket has been presented.
There is no requirement to do this whatsoever. If a ticket is issued as an e-ticket or m-ticket and is otherwise valid on the train you are traveling on then it has to be accepted.