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Waves smash train windows at Dawlish

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There are a couple of posts suggesting replacing with plain glass on a temporary basis, would this not be much more likely to smash in a similar situation and more likely to injure people?
 
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There are a couple of posts suggesting replacing with plain glass on a temporary basis, would this not be much more likely to smash in a similar situation and more likely to injure people?

I read plain as in without hoppers rather than plain as in standard non-toughened/laminated glass.
 

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Thing is, neither Norfolk nor the American Atlantic seaboard have to worry about westerly gales, particularly from the S.W. The end of the historic street in which I have lived in Penzance since 1988 comes out on the Promenade which carries a main traffic artery and is regularly closed when high winds coincide with a high tide. These days the effects can often last for two or three hours before and after high tide too. and can happen in virtually any month, which certainly was never the case until the last decade. Virtually every time Dawlish gets hit, PZ does too, plus plenty of other times, as we face the Atlantic rather than the genteel English Channel. At times Penzance station, tracks and environs get flooded, but rock armour defences ensure that's not too often. All joking and cynicism aside, the Dawlish situation is diabolical if allowed to continue, unless you (by which I mean the government) are prepared to contemplate no trains further west than Exeter/Newton Abbot for a period of, quite possibly, several years. And then see how many Tory seats are retained in the S.W.!
 

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It appears there may be more wrong with 143603 than meets the eye. It seems there may be some frame damage around the windows and the electrics may be beyond help. Perhaps it could be curtains for 603 after all???
 

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Had a look at 143603 today. No obvious buckling of window surrounds so may not be as bad as had been reported ,but then I'm no structural engineer. Still don't know how badly the electrical equiptment is though. Was it destined for the Swindon and Cricklade?
 

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It appears there may be more wrong with 143603 than meets the eye. It seems there may be some frame damage around the windows and the electrics may be beyond help. Perhaps it could be curtains for 603 after all???
They would have to be very thick curtains, though...

(sorry)
 

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I’m aware that it’s dependent on the 769s but is there any approximate expected date for when the pacers will be withdrawn by?
 

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Posted about this in the cascade topic...

So, 143603, the unit that was damaged by waves at Dawlish a few weeks ago is currently sat at Exeter TMD waiting to move out on to the UM and do some sort of movement...

Still got tarpaulin and tape over the four windows that were smashed.

Is there a problem with sourcing windows for pacers as this seems a long delay in getting rolling stock back onto diagrams?

The unit sounded ragged as anything this morning, but it was running... ran out of the TMD onto the UM by the panel box and then back into the TMD into a different bay. So, seems like GWR might think there's life in 603 yet!

Coming back soon to a Paignton-Exmouth run near you!
 

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Solution should be as simple as follows;

Mr GWR receives a 143 from Mr Wales, and Mr Wales receives an off-lease 142 from Mr Northern.

But no.
 

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Solution should be as simple as follows;

Mr GWR receives a 143 from Mr Wales, and Mr Wales receives an off-lease 142 from Mr Northern.

But no.

Quite right. No. The 142s have come off lease with Northern for withdrawal All dispensations identify by individual unit numbers.j
 

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So, its a bureaucratic reason why units can't be transferred, not an actual physical real reason. Nice to see providing an efficient service taking priority.
 

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So, its a bureaucratic reason why units can't be transferred, not an actual physical real reason. Nice to see providing an efficient service taking priority.

Has 143603 been withdrawn or just speculation ? Everybody was broadcasting that TFWs 142073 had been condemned due to underframe damage and again following a fire but each time it came back after a spell out of action.
 

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Has 143603 been withdrawn or just speculation ? Everybody was broadcasting that TFWs 142073 had been condemned due to underframe damage and again following a fire but each time it came back after a spell out of action.
It's just speculation.
 

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So, its a bureaucratic reason why units can't be transferred, not an actual physical real reason. Nice to see providing an efficient service taking priority.
The 142s are being taken direct for disposal barring a short stay at Gascoigne Wood for some. It may be that once out of service they don't belong to the TOCs/ROSCO any more, but the future owner (ie the scrapyards). It may well depend on when the transfer of ownership occurs, which others on the board will know more about than I.
 

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Solution should be as simple as follows;

Mr GWR receives a 143 from Mr Wales, and Mr Wales receives an off-lease 142 from Mr Northern.

But no.

Quite right. No. The 142s have come off lease with Northern for withdrawal All dispensations identify by individual unit numbers.j

So, its a bureaucratic reason why units can't be transferred, not an actual physical real reason. Nice to see providing an efficient service taking priority.
Maybe try the steam era solution ;)

Two units parked round the back of the shed, one apprentice sent round with paint pot and stencils, and bingo! - next day it's the non-derogation unit that has smashed windows, and the unit with derogation is ready to run!

(I know it's not possible now with TOPS tracking everything, but it certainly wasn't unknown for steam locos to swap identities, with varying degrees of official knowledge)
 

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Posted about this in the cascade topic...



The unit sounded ragged as anything this morning, but it was running... ran out of the TMD onto the UM by the panel box and then back into the TMD into a different bay. So, seems like GWR might think there's life in 603 yet!

Coming back soon to a Paignton-Exmouth run near you!

Gosh, we're so lucky down here in South Devon, 143s and HS2, oh hang on a moment ...... :s
 

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They're west of Exeter. Their beaches point east.

No and yes - the "westbound" line from Exeter St Davids actually runs somewhat eastwards as it runs (mostly) southwards towards and down the west side of the estuary. By Dawlish it's turned a bit and is heading back west (as well as south), but at that point is still east of where it was in Exeter.
 

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They're west of Exeter. Their beaches point east.

Dawlish is east of Exeter. The estuary is aligned SSE from SE Exeter to the sea. Dawlish is slightly west of the mouth of the estuary but still east of Exeter.
 

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There was a public protest on Teignmouth beach yesterday. A human chain was formed along the site of the proposed wall widening.
 
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