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Weekend rail replacement driver job

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notadriver

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A company is advertising for weekend rail replacement bus drivers but states

Please note, we will not consider applications if your full-time employment involves driving on a regular basis.

Does this mean that as a train driver I can't apply for this job?
 
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I would think you would be ok because, you will know better than me here but I don't think your working to Domestic or European driving hours in your train driving job.
 

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A company is advertising for weekend rail replacement bus drivers but states

Please note, we will not consider applications if your full-time employment involves driving on a regular basis.

Does this mean that as a train driver I can't apply for this job?

Sounds rather dodgy does it not? Why would they not want experienced bus drivers? Can't see why it could be an issue unless its down to flexibility of work hours?
 

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Sounds rather dodgy does it not? Why would they not want experienced bus drivers? Can't see why it could be an issue unless its down to flexibility of work hours?

Probably down to hours worked over the week on a regular bus route. They can't be doing less than 40 so anymore may not have them at their optimum prime,alertness and awareness.

I wouldn't be happy getting on one if the driver were tired, much the same as I wouldn't with a train driver who may be fatigued or even a borderline pass.

I want to get home in one piece thanks.



 

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They won't want regular drivers because it would most likely affect their weekly rest periods, and there's a good chance of EU/UK rules causing a problem (you can't drive by both in the same week).
 

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Probably down to hours worked over the week on a regular bus route. They can't be doing less than 40 so anymore may not have them at their optimum prime,alertness and awareness.

I wouldn't be happy getting on one if the driver were tired, much the same as I wouldn't with a train driver who may be fatigued or even a borderline pass.

I want to get home in one piece thanks.




But surely there is no difference between a bus driver working their 7th day in a row (they can work up to 13) and them working a rest day on rail ?
 

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But surely there is no difference between a bus driver working their 7th day in a row (they can work up to 13) and them working a rest day on rail ?

And the gung ho man who thinks they can do both?
 

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And the gung ho man who thinks they can do both?

What i mean is this clip - when i worked on the buses i might work monday to friday (40 hours) on local service buses and do my 6th day doing rail replacement bus work and rest on Sunday.
 

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Remembering that the railways fall under different legislation (a lot) from the UK Domestic Driving and EU Driving Hours regulations, are we not talking here about two different subjects?

Harking back to the original post, if your job (as a PSV Driver) includes driving buses on a regular basis, then you will not be able to work, regularly, rail replacement shifts at a weekend.

Most rail replacement shifts fall under the EU legislation (over 50kms), and as such any service driver in the UK would then fall under these regs. Their employer then, by law, needs to keep track of them under EU regulations, which causes a lot of problems with domestic duties and breaks - not to mention rest periods per week.

For example, on a domestic rota, you may have two rest days per week, but they may be split (Monday, Wednesday say). On EU, you require 45hours unbroken rest per week, or if not, this to be compensated by the end of the third week.

You'll find bus operators keeping EU and Domestic work seperate, and the current crop of split registrations allows for most work to be Domestically rostered.

There are exceptions (as with anything!), certain rail replacement services (shorter ones) are registered and operated domestically, although this is rare, making the 6 day working week described by notadriver possible in those circumstances.

Hope that helps.

Cheers
 

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Good post tramboy - I agree with the majority of it except:

Most rail replacement shifts fall under the EU legislation (over 50kms)

Really? Virtually every rail replacement job I have ever been involved with has had a route of less than 30 miles / 50km (and it is the length of the route that matters, not the distance from the depot).

certain rail replacement services (shorter ones) are registered and operated domestically, although this is rare

Services can come under domestic regs without being 'registered' - all that is required is for them to be a regular scheduled service. I agree that 'registering' rail rep routes is rare, though.
 

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I just wanted to bring up the subject of fatigue once more. In both the bus and train industries rest day working normal and accepted subject to whatever compulsory rest periods are in force. Someone mentioned earlier they wouldn't like a tired driver in charge of their safety. So is someone who is doing their 6th day in a row less safe than someone who doesn't do any overtime at all? :o
 
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