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The UK’s National Infrastructure Commission (NIC) has said that work on plans to develop mass transit systems for the country’s biggest cities “needs to start now” if the country is to live up to its climate change and levelling up commitments. The UK has seen limited development of modern LRT, with only six* new systems having been built since 1992. (quoted from "Tramways and Urban Transit" July 4 2022) *seven if the DLR is added.


In contrast, France, which, like Britain, closed most of its tramways before 1960, has opened around 25 new systems since 1985.

Given the differences in devolved powers and funding mechanisms and, I suppose, political will, between the two countries, what are the chances of the UK catching up with France, bearing in mind the cancellation of four schemes by the then Labour Government in 2006?
 
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The UK’s National Infrastructure Commission (NIC) has said that work on plans to develop mass transit systems for the country’s biggest cities “needs to start now” if the country is to live up to its climate change and levelling up commitments. The UK has seen limited development of modern LRT, with only six* new systems having been built since 1992. (quoted from "Tramways and Urban Transit" July 4 2022) *seven if the DLR is added.


In contrast, France, which, like Britain, closed most of its tramways before 1960, has opened around 25 new systems since 1985.

Given the differences in devolved powers and funding mechanisms and, I suppose, political will, between the two countries, what are the chances of the UK catching up with France, bearing in mind the cancellation of four schemes by the then Labour Government in 2006?
The chances are less than nil, should such a thing be possible, in the first half of this century at least. France hasn't stopped new systems either, but concentration is now focussed on adding new lines to existing systems. Some of the town/city systems are in the sort of places that would not even be the subject of a consultation in the U.K. eg Brest and Nantes. The only proposal I've ever known in Cornwall was my own slightly mischievous one for a single track/single tram one for Penzance Promenade!
 

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This article from the same website gives some information on this topic.

I think there is more chance of extensions to existing tramways rather than new ones in the immediate future.



Where the UK went wrong​


The revival of the tramway in the later decades of the last century is well-documented, not least in the pages of TAUT and its predecessors. The movement began in the USA and Canada, closely followed by the Netherlands and France and eventually even in the UK. Now it is a worldwide phenomenon with new systems appearing in countries that never had first-generation tramways.

Those working in the tramway field have always been well aware of the wide benefits of this unique form of urban transport, the only mode that is equally at home on railway tracks, along the street, through pedestrian zones or on its own private right-of-way through parks – and even in tunnels. It is by far the least damaging mode to the environment, at the same time supporting and enhancing the local economy.

These obvious benefits should make it the number one choice to meet urban travel needs in this environmentally-challenged era. Most countries have recognised this and are taking action, but Britain is sadly missing out. Why?

In the 1970s and ’80s, planners and engineers were beginning to look at the tramway afresh. Memories of previous systems still haunted politicians and professionals so the new movement had to be clandestine, mainly in the backrooms of the newly-created Passenger Transport Executives (PTEs). The word ‘tram’ was taboo, so the term ‘light rail’ was adopted.

The Tyneside Metro (later Tyne and Wear Metro) was the first to break through in 1980, but it took another 12 years before Manchester crossed the street-running divide in 1992. That sparked a deluge of schemes across the country – everybody saw the benefits and wanted a system of their own. The big cities of Sheffield, Birmingham, Leeds, Liverpool and Bristol were next in the queue, with the London Borough of Croydon not far behind. Sheffield, Birmingham and Croydon eventually got their trams… but Liverpool, Leeds and Bristol are still waiting.

There was a long list of smaller towns and cities where the tram was seen as a valuable part of the transport mix. Many were the subject of feasibility studies during the 1990s, but only two more projects were successful: Nottingham and Edinburgh. Most of the successful schemes were promoted by PTEs, with Nottingham the only one in England to be promoted by a city and county without such a body. Interestingly, Nottingham and Edinburgh are amongst the handful of authorities that still feature municipally-owned bus operators, making integration a practical proposition.

What lessons can we take from failure?

The success of Greater Manchester Metrolink, South Yorkshire Supertram, West Midlands Metro, Croydon (now London) Tramlink, and Nottingham Express Transit is well-known. But why are Leeds, Liverpool, Bristol and several more not up there with them? And what can we learn from their failure?

The reasons are many and complex. There can be little doubt that the actions of then-Secretary of State for Transport Alistair Darling in cancelling the plans for Leeds, Liverpool and South Hampshire in 2005 – and all the Manchester Metrolink extensions – had a devasting effect on all the other potential tramway promoters. His strings may well have been pulled by Her Majesty’s Treasury (as has always been the case in Britain), but the result damaged urban public transport in major cities for generations.

If popular, well-developed tramway projects – which had been approved by the Government at every stage, and were ready to go out to tender – were to be scrapped, then there was no chance for any other scheme. Many millions had been spent by promoting authorities and bidding contractors on design and approvals, including obtaining the necessary Parliamentary Powers – all money down the drain. The pain was felt deeply in both public and private sector pockets.

While Leeds, Liverpool and South Hampshire begrudgingly accepted Darling’s ruling, Great Manchester fought back. Metrolink was already running and proving popular with passengers and the public at large. A massive campaign was led by the media and local authorities demanding that the planned expansion of Metrolink be given approval. Eventually the Government had to give in. All the extensions are now carrying passengers, while Leeds and South Hampshire are left to rely on buses.

At least Liverpool has its Merseyrail network, but the proposed tram routes would have served parts of the conurbation which the trains don’t reach. Leeds is now renowned as the largest conurbation in Europe without a metro, underground, light rail or tramway. Acres of former Ministry of Defence land in the Gosport peninsular could have been profitably developed with improved access from a tramway; the ‘replacement’ busway can only offer a fraction of the service and does not provide the much-needed link
into Portsmouth.

Increased costs were undoubtedly a major cause of the failure of these light rail projects. In reality, however, while the costs of all the cancelled schemes had indeed increased, they were no more than many highway projects – in fact far less than some. Yet no highway schemes were cancelled. It is an inescapable fact that capital costs of major infrastructure schemes increase with time, as evidenced by the Thameslink, Crossrail and HS2 heavy rail projects. But such situations give politicians a cast iron excuse to get rid of projects they don’t like.

Is there an in-built bias?

There is still an innate dislike of tramways in Britain that goes back to the Royal Commission on Transport in 1929. This encouraged their abandonment and replacement with buses, noting that trams ‘if not an obsolete form of transport, are at all events in a state of obsolescence and cause much unnecessary congestion and considerable danger to the public’.

Ambitious plans to upgrade the tramways in Liverpool, Leeds and Glasgow to light rail standards in the post-war years were all thrown out. Even the serious plans of English Electric to build a British PCC car came to nought. That would have been a real game-changer.

Promoters of second-generation schemes in Britain had a hard time getting them accepted by the Department of Transport, who could only see them as far too expensive and unnecessary when you can have buses. The enormous potential benefits of trams over buses were never understood in Marsham Street. It is only when they started carrying passengers that attitudes did a rapid about-turn, as residents of Manchester, Nottingham and Edinburgh can verify.

Why are we afraid to learn from our neighbours?

When Manchester’s Metrolink was in its early planning stages, the Transportation Committee Chair realised that getting approval from the County Council for such an innovative plan would require changes of approach. Many councillors did not understand what a modern tramway looked like. To this end, he initiated a series of study tours to European tramways to see first-hand what could be achieved. Political representatives included key committee chairs, officers came from County and City, and there were engineers and planners with representatives from Greater Manchester’s PTE and British Rail.

The last city visited was Zürich. In the 1960s, it too faced similar pressures to its counterparts in Britain, namely increasing car use and congestion. We had the Buchanan Report which advocated full car ownership and residual public transport. A plan to build urban motorways and underground railways to replace the trams in Zürich was defeated by referendum, the legal process required in Switzerland. It was sold by the authorities as a ‘balanced approach’ but the people of Zürich saw it differently. Transport planning was in limbo for a decade. A new plan for a more extensive metro network was also defeated in 1973. Zürchers love their trams.

A radical plan prepared by a grass-roots ‘peoples initiative’ to upgrade the tramway and trolleybus networks and give them priority over car traffic was approved in 1977. The City Engineer still wanted a car-based plan, but that was defeated. The results were spectacular. Public transport patronage skyrocketed while car commuting declined. Annual trips per capita in Zürich are now more than three times the figure for major British cities.

The aim of the study tour was to show Manchester councillors and officers what a tram system looked like. The reaction on returning to England was an almost unanimous, ‘when can we have one?’. Such initiatives are what we need to convince our Government ministers.

Any radical infrastructure plan needs both a political and a technical champion. Both must be fully committed to a politically achievable project with sound engineering and planning credentials. Maintaining both cross-party and cross-district support is essential, as is robust consultation with a wide group of interests, public and private. Perhaps most of all, close links with the relevant government departments must be maintained throughout the planning process, although, as we have seen, that is no guarantee of success…

We have the expertise and experience

There is no shortage of expertise, experience or enthusiasm in the light rail industry in this country. This is repeatedly demonstrated at the annual UK Light Rail Conference, the copious documents produced by UKTram and its Centre of Excellence, the resources of the Urban Transport Group and the new Light Rail Safety and Standards Board, and the mass of light rail documents produced by the All-Party Parliamentary Light Rail Group.

Many other documents have been produced, for example TramForward’s contribution to COP26. Yet tramways hardly got a mention in Glasgow, even given their close fit with environmental objectives.

Despite the seemingly impossible task of getting tram schemes approved by our Government, there are several promising projects in embryo. Perhaps best-known is the Very Light Rail (VLR) scheme for Coventry which envisages a four-line loop network to link all parts of the city with the centre, rail station, university and hospitals. Although not conventional light rail, this is an attempt to produce a much cheaper rail-based system with a lighter trackform and a lightweight shuttle. A prototype vehicle has been constructed and a research centre is being completed in Dudley.

Another imaginative project is the KenEx Tramway to connect the counties of Kent and Essex from Bluewater to Lakeside with a tube tunnel under the River Thames. This makes much greater environmental sense than the planned Lower Thames Crossing and yet has not been given much prominence. The road tunnel is bound to increase car traffic, and hence pollution and congestion. The tram alternative would attract car users to public transport, a key objective of transport policy.

The conurbations around Bristol and Leeds are still unlikely to achieve their light rail ambitions for at least a decade. Neither have firm plans or any Transport and Work Act powers. The shame is that both had powers in the 1990s. Bristol has suffered over the years from disagreements between its various local government bodies, not helped by the abandonment of Avon County Council which was developing sound light rail plans. An early private sector proposal was ill thought-out and had no chance of being realised.

A local pressure group in Bath which sees trams as the saviour of that historic city has turned its attention to Bristol and appears to be having some success in persuading the regional authority to at least consider the possible role of light rail. Until recently the car and bus lobbies have won the arguments, but perhaps things are changing.

Leeds is the city most in need of a light rail network, and has nearly realised those plans on a number of occasions since the far-sighted tram subway plans of 1945. After a number of failed attempts, it finally received Royal Assent for a tramway in 1993. Another decade later and it was all scrapped. Government response has been: ‘trams are too expensive, get some better buses’. Yet despite investment in new buses, and even some bits of guided busway, patronage has continued its downward trend and current expectations to dramatically increase bus use seem doomed to failure.

The Government’s recent publication of its Integrated Rail Plan, scrapping HS2 to Leeds and abandoning the Northern Powerhouse Rail plan, has caused anger and disbelief across the North and Midlands.

As a consolation prize, current Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said that Leeds can have its mass transit system. It should be noted, however, that the word ‘tram’ is conspicuously absent from any official statement and what has actually been offered is GBP200m (EUR238.6m) for a feasibility study. The Government expects the first phase of this GBP2bn (EUR2.4bn) project ‘to be in service by the second half of this decade’.

There must be drawers full of approved tram plans for Leeds, so why yet another study is needed beggars belief. What West Yorkshire desperately needs is the funds to build a first phase tramway, probably along York Road to Seacroft, or south to Stourton and Middleton.

Why can’t we be like the French?

Five years after the Tyne and Wear Metro brought light rail technology to the UK, Nantes became the first French city to bring trams back to its streets. Seven years later, Manchester followed. In the next 25 years, tramways were built in more than 20 cities in France. In Britain, the figure for the same period was five.

While all these cities in France have been reaping the wide benefits of new tramways, many UK cities which could have seen similar success are instead suffering ever-increasing congestion and pollution, and declining bus patronage. Paris now has no fewer than nine tram and tram-train lines. London, by comparison, still has only one. It could have had more, but they were killed off by Boris Johnson when he was Mayor.

One major difference between the UK and France is devolution. French cities and their mayors have a high degree of control over their own affairs and funding through the ‘Versement Transport’ (now Versement Mobilité) hypothecated taxation system. Dating back to 1972, this has been a consistent policy for half a century. In Britain, policy has ricocheted between extremes but always with steely control from the capital. West Yorkshire’s Mayor, Tracy Brabin, has supported plans for a mass transit system for her region – it remains to be seen if she will succeed.

Tramway extensions are being built in the West Midlands, Edinburgh and Blackpool. More new routes are in the early planning stages. New tram-trains are to be delivered to Cardiff, which is a great step forward, although how they are to be used is still rather uncertain. But there are no shovel-ready new schemes anywhere. It will probably be another ten years at least before any other city sees the benefits of a tramway.

It is good to see investment going into existing systems – including Government packages to support systems as they rebound from the pandemic – but we need massive investment in new schemes to combat climate change and tackle pollution and urban congestion. We have the solutions, some are outlined in this article; there are many more.

But we can’t achieve anything without the backing of the Government. If a fraction of the GBP27bn (EUR2.2bn) to be spent on highways could be diverted to urban tram schemes, the benefits would be enormous.
 

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Thanks for this link. Tony Young always knows what he's talking about and has been a tireless light rail campaigner for many years. He places a lot of the blame at the door of Alistair Darling! Preston is another medium-sized city with ambitions to have a tramway and part of the right of way is already there in the form of a disused railway but I'm not sure how committed the local authority is. Light rail was considered as a replacement for heavy rail lines on the Isle of Wight and Watford - St. Albans but these ideas were of course not pursued.
 

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Don't arguments for new tram systems get countered with either "Heavy rail, not trams please" or "Better bus provision, bus lanes and dedicated bus roads that can be used by other vehicles as needed"
 

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One of the key differences between much of continental Europe and UK/Ireland is the distribution of population. Mass transit systems ie trams/light rail are most cost effective (ie operate with less subsidy) transporting people around higher density conurbations where families typically live in apartments, rather than sprawling estates of two-storey houses with small gardens. It isn't completely black and white, but if we want more continental-style light rail we may need we adopt more continental-style approaches to how and where we live.
 

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One of the key differences between much of continental Europe and UK/Ireland is the distribution of population. Mass transit systems ie trams/light rail are most cost effective (ie operate with less subsidy) transporting people around higher density conurbations where families typically live in apartments, rather than sprawling estates of two-storey houses with small gardens. It isn't completely black and white, but if we want more continental-style light rail we may need we adopt more continental-style approaches to how and where we live.
Yes housing density is certainly a factor, and no doubt bus deregulation has been another. On the continent buses act as feeders to tramways, with integrated ticketing, rather than trying to compete. No doubt bus companies have been whispering in the ear of the Treasury, saying how they can achieve the same result as light rail much more cheaply, even though achieving modal shift with buses is much more difficult.
 

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One of the key differences between much of continental Europe and UK/Ireland is the distribution of population. Mass transit systems ie trams/light rail are most cost effective (ie operate with less subsidy) transporting people around higher density conurbations where families typically live in apartments, rather than sprawling estates of two-storey houses with small gardens. It isn't completely black and white, but if we want more continental-style light rail we may need we adopt more continental-style approaches to how and where we live.
Absolutely, and often wider and straighter roads, sometimes as a result of reconstruction after the Second World War, and no-one with actual or ancestral memories of very old, double deck trams clanking along quite slowly.
 

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Major UK cities shouldn't settle for 2nd class, slow and non-high capacity transport solutions such as LRT that doesn't have its own dedicated alignment; they and the relevant authorities should aim higher and emulate London with the Underground. Cities such as Birmingham and Manchester are larger than many comparable European cities which have their own Underground Metro, yet Birmingham and Manchester are without. Trams are just a cheap solution in perspective, the UK is already behind and will further drop in the coming decades.
I agree and even the few tram systems we do have, only 1 of them doesn't recycle old heavy rail track, which reduces the overall benefit of the projects.
I'm sure the idea of tunneling in cities that arent London is laughed out of the room, god knows how the tyne and wear metro ever got funding, however the problem with cities like Liverpool and Newcastle is that their systems have too high a cost for the stingy treasury to fund extensions, and that's with the proposed extensions being woefully unambitious still.
Extending merseyrail by building on the Liverpool loop line has been ruled out because its been slightly built on... zero ambition to build mass transit here, despite there being more motivation to do so than ever.

Given that I do think that comparison between UK cities and a lot of European cities is generally quite unfair as most cities here have expansive suburban rail compared to a lot of French cities. However the local authorities don't care about the rail, since they don't own it. Really I think we should first in places like Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham be trying to reach atleast 4/5tph on suburban branches and full electrification. HS2 will help but castlefield in manchester really needs to be quadtracked.
 
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If the West Midlands Metro had been reopened as just a heavy rail line into Snow Hill, it would not have been able to serve Wolverhampton, the line beyond Priestfield being built upon after closure in 1972.

Also terminating at Snow Hill would have seen the line confined to the periphery of the city centre, and while it would still have been useful for people in Bilston, Wednesbury and West Bromwich, if the line doesn't go where people want to go, it provides a disincentive for people to use it.

The extension into the city centre in 2016, and the subsequent extensions of the line to Library and now Broad Street and Edgbaston Village should lead to further increase in traffic.

The Wolverhampton station extension will be very useful for people wanting to connect with National Rail services and local bus services (with the stop at Pipers Row serving the bus station) and should lead to a further increase in traffic.

The following extract from Wikipedia gives more detail.

Usage on the initial line averaged about five million passenger journeys annually, but numbers remained static for many years. This was not seen as successful, as 14 to 20 million passengers per year had been projected.

Numerous reasons were suggested for the underperformance, including: that the line has lacked visibility, being confined to Snow Hill station at the edge of Birmingham city centre; that there are quicker trains running between Birmingham and Wolverhampton; that the line did not serve New Street station or any of Birmingham's major visitor attractions (except for the Jewellery Quarter, already well-served by suburban trains).[47][48] Nonetheless, overcrowding sometimes occurred on trams at peak hours.

Passenger numbers increased sharply following the opening of the extension into Birmingham city centre in June 2016, with figures for 2016/17 exceeding six million for the first time.
 

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If the West Midlands Metro had been reopened as just a heavy rail line into Snow Hill, it would not have been able to serve Wolverhampton, the line beyond Priestfield being built upon after closure in 1972.
Point kind of proven there
“Sorry, we can’t make this heavy rail because a bit towards the end of the corridor has been built on therefore we must half the capacity by making it a a tram”
God know what we would do without all these old rail corridors.
It is going to be interesting to see what Leeds does, since there’s no obvious heavy rail corridors for conversion.
 

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One of the key differences between much of continental Europe and UK/Ireland is the distribution of population. Mass transit systems ie trams/light rail are most cost effective (ie operate with less subsidy) transporting people around higher density conurbations where families typically live in apartments, rather than sprawling estates of two-storey houses with small gardens. It isn't completely black and white, but if we want more continental-style light rail we may need we adopt more continental-style approaches to how and where we live.
With the exception of Scotland whose cities have more in common with northern continental cities than the rest of the UK and Ireland.
 

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Point kind of proven there
“Sorry, we can’t make this heavy rail because a bit towards the end of the corridor has been built on therefore we must half the capacity by making it a a tram”
God know what we would do without all these old rail corridors.
It is going to be interesting to see what Leeds does, since there’s no obvious heavy rail corridors for conversion.

I don't think there is a right or a wrong answer to whether a closed heavy rail corridor should be reopened as a heavy rail line, or converted to a tramway.

I would disagree with you regarding the West Midlands Metro and say that overall the tramway provides a better service

  • The tramway provides a connection to Wolverhampton which would not have been possible had the line been reopened as heavy rail
  • There are more stations on the tramway between Birmingham and Priestfield (21) than there were on the old railway line (10). If the line had been reopened as heavy rail as far as Priestfield, it is doubtful whether there would have been as many as 21 stations.
  • Whilst an individual tram may have less capacity than a heavy rail train, this in most cases can be alleviated by a higher frequency. The peak frequency on West Midlands Metro when all trams are in service is every 6 minutes (10 per hour) whereas it is unlikely that anything more than 4 trains per hour could have been provided on a reopened rail line. A frequency of every 6 minutes is "turn up and go", which can be attract new customers, as they don't have to worry about timetables. I think it is more appropriate to compare a tramway with a bus service, and in the case of the West Midlands metro it provides higher capacity and greater reliability than the existing bus services along the corridor.
  • A tramway makes extensions off the corridor of the old heavy rail line possible. In the case of the West Midlands Metro, the extensions to Grand Central, Library and Edgbaston Village were only possible because of the tramway, as are the extensions currently under construction to Wolverhampton Station, Dudley and Brierley Hill and Digbeth.
 

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I don't think there is a right or a wrong answer to whether a closed heavy rail corridor should be reopened as a heavy rail line, or converted to a tramway.

I would disagree with you regarding the West Midlands Metro and say that overall the tramway provides a better service
I understand the arguments from pragmatism, its incredibly hard for anything to get built in this country. But from an idealist sense, I don't think that it was the best choice.
 

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Pragmatists tend to be the ones who can make things happen, because they are willing to compromise to get other interested parties onboard...the skill is in the negotiations to retain as much of your 'ideals' as possible while letting go of the ones you care about least.

(...and I agree with Duncamp re. using the old Snow Hill - Wolverhampton Low Level right-of-way for the trams. There's two electrified heavy rail routes between Birmingham and Wolverhampton anyway - three is overkill, and the third only existed because of Victorian-era LNWR vs GWR competition).
 

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Pragmatists tend to be the ones who can make things happen, because they are willing to compromise to get other interested parties onboard...the skill is in the negotiations to retain as much of your 'ideals' as possible while letting go of the ones you care about least.

(...and I agree with Duncamp re. using the old Snow Hill - Wolverhampton Low Level right-of-way for the trams. There's two electrified heavy rail routes between Birmingham and Wolverhampton anyway - three is overkill, and the third only existed because of Victorian-era LNWR vs GWR competition).
But WM Metro isn't really there to cater for the through B'ham - Wolverhampton traffic, but for intermediate places such as West Bromwich and Wednesbury which don't have a railway.
 

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But WM Metro isn't really there to cater for the through B'ham - Wolverhampton traffic, but for intermediate places such as West Bromwich and Wednesbury which don't have a railway.
Yes, I know - that's why I think it's a much better use of the old ex-GWR right-of-way than restoring it to heavy rail use (as Duncamp suggested in post #15 and who I was agreeing with). 'Local' heavy rail makes economic sense when there are heavy flows, otherwise it ends up being an expensive to provide, relatively infrequent and hence not very attractive local public transport service.

It's silly saying 'it's got to be heavy rail again' just because it was 100 years ago, when in reality it's just a relatively flat strip of land that might make a useful dedicated public transport right-of-way for trams or guided buses.
 

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Yes, I know - that's why I think it's a much better use of the old ex-GWR right-of-way than restoring it to heavy rail use (as Duncamp suggested in post #15 and who I was agreeing with). 'Local' heavy rail makes economic sense when there are heavy flows, otherwise it ends up being an expensive to provide, relatively infrequent and hence not very attractive local public transport service.

The line goes through an entirely built up area, and I'm not convinced that running costs vs heavy rail and light rail are considerably different.

It seems weird to me that other places have spent parts of the 20th century converting tram lines into heavy(er) rail metro systems, and we have done the exact opposite.
 

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Is the exception Sheffield?
No, the first section to Meadowhall as opening in 1994 ran along a former heavy rail route. I believe Edinburgh Trams run over a completely new route, but I can’t vouch for it.

I had thought the Blackpool tramway had been a tramway in all it’s existence too though; I’m sure that can’t have been a heavy rail route. I’m not sure about Nottingham which runs trams alongside heavy rail around Hucknall but not in place of them, I don’t think.

Croydon and Manchester of course run trams over former Heavy Rail routes dating to as recently as the late 90s and 2009 respectively.
 

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If the West Midlands Metro had been reopened as just a heavy rail line into Snow Hill, it would not have been able to serve Wolverhampton, the line beyond Priestfield being built upon after closure in 1972.
The line hasn't been built on it could have served Wolverhampton Low Level or a junction with the High Level route could have been built.
Also terminating at Snow Hill would have seen the line confined to the periphery of the city centre, and while it would still have been useful for people in Bilston, Wednesbury and West Bromwich, if the line doesn't go where people want to go, it provides a disincentive for people to use it.
The metro did terminate at Snow Hill for fifteen years. If it was heavy rail it could have run through the tunnel to Moor Street with the Stourbridge line trains.

The Midland Metro is case study in how not to build a metro, the passenger figures are appalling and remain low despite the extension through the city centre to New Street. It is a child of the usual Black Country v Birmingham politics.
 

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The line hasn't been built on it could have served Wolverhampton Low Level or a junction with the High Level route could have been built.

The metro did terminate at Snow Hill for fifteen years. If it was heavy rail it could have run through the tunnel to Moor Street with the Stourbridge line trains.

The Midland Metro is case study in how not to build a metro, the passenger figures are appalling and remain low despite the extension through the city centre to New Street. It is a child of the usual Black Country v Birmingham politics.
Bingo.

I'm willing to bet that the new extension to Brierley hill wont be too successful as well.

Why doesn't Birmingham use some of their ridiculously wide roads for trams, instead of wasting corridors that really should be heavy rail.
 

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If the corridors should be heavy rail, why were they poorly performing in the first place?
 

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Bingo.

I'm willing to bet that the new extension to Brierley hill wont be too successful as well.

Why doesn't Birmingham use some of their ridiculously wide roads for trams, instead of wasting corridors that really should be heavy rail.

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree over whether the line which is now the West Midlands Metro should have been reopened as heavy rail or as a tram.

Part of the problem with the West Midlands Metro was that it stayed in the same format for more than fifteen years, whereas planning for extensions should have commenced as soon as the original line was built.

We now have a situation where three extensions have been completed (to Grand Central, Library and Edgbaston Village) and three more are under construction (to Wolverhampton Station, Dudley & Brierley Hill and Digbeth)

If the corridors should be heavy rail, why were they poorly performing in the first place?

A good example of poorly performing heavy rail versus successful tramway is the Wimbledon to Croydon section of London Tramlink.

This carries vastly increased numbers on the tramway compared to the infrequent (every 45 minutes) former National Rail services.

The tram in Croydon penetrates the town centre in a way that would not have been possible had the line remained as heavy rail.

You could also say the same about the Metrolink Altrincham and Bury lines.
 

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The line hasn't been built on it could have served Wolverhampton Low Level or a junction with the High Level route could have been built.

The metro did terminate at Snow Hill for fifteen years. If it was heavy rail it could have run through the tunnel to Moor Street with the Stourbridge line trains.

The Midland Metro is case study in how not to build a metro, the passenger figures are appalling and remain low despite the extension through the city centre to New Street. It is a child of the usual Black Country v Birmingham politics.
Absolutely. When I was growing up in the 1950s and 1960s Birmingham was indisputably the Second City. Now?.....
 

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Absolutely. When I was growing up in the 1950s and 1960s Birmingham was indisputably the Second City. Now?.....

The West Midlands County Council existed from 1974 to 1986, and their action to protect the right of way of the line (closed in 1972) meant that the West Midland metro, plus the reopening of Snow Hill station and a reinstatement of service along the Snow Hill lines, was possible.

Now we have the West Midlands Combined Authority, which came into existence in 2016, and it seems that this is overcoming the Black Country v Birmingham political divide, and providing an impetus for the current and future extensions to the metro.

A similar situation now exists in Paris, where the metro is now being extended beyond the boundaries of the 20 arrondissements, whereas previously lines would stop at the city boundary.
 

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(...and I agree with Duncamp re. using the old Snow Hill - Wolverhampton Low Level right-of-way for the trams. There's two electrified heavy rail routes between Birmingham and Wolverhampton anyway - three is overkill, and the third only existed because of Victorian-era LNWR vs GWR competition).
Only one of those routes is direct though and it's full to capacity (as is the indirect route at the Birmingham end).

In addition to local services, if it had been re-opened as a heavy rail route in the 90s the line could take some of the pressure of the Stour Valley line, at the very least all Shrewsbury services could have been routed that way, with electrification so could the Liverpool and/or Scotland services. That would have freed up capacity to provide a decent commuter service along the Stour Valley rather than the frankly pathetic 2tph it has at the moment.
 

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No, the first section to Meadowhall as opening in 1994 ran along a former heavy rail route. I believe Edinburgh Trams run over a completely new route, but I can’t vouch for it.

I had thought the Blackpool tramway had been a tramway in all it’s existence too though; I’m sure that can’t have been a heavy rail route. I’m not sure about Nottingham which runs trams alongside heavy rail around Hucknall but not in place of them, I don’t think.

Croydon and Manchester of course run trams over former Heavy Rail routes dating to as recently as the late 90s and 2009 respectively.
The current Edinburgh Trams line doesn't run over an former heavy rail route. There are long term plans (ambitions) to reuse most of the former Granton branch as part of a future expansion:

 

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Some fascinating stuff on this thread. I wonder to what extent the absence of trams in dedicated on street lanes in the UK, compared with eg. Amsterdam, Zurich etc reflects continuing vestiges of car centric urban planning in many cities. What the Americans would term 'transit oriented development' (TOD) - Eg. as included on the Island of Ijburg in Amsterdam - appear to be an extremely rare thing in this country with continuous piecemeal expansion to leafy suburbs near motorway junctions being the default development.

The prominence of street running elsewhere is maybe just a sign of greater network size, but I suspect also reflects the 'Buses are good enough' arguments mentioned above, as well as the need for a more 'unique' service to gather political and monetary support when the status quo is so devoid of LRT and Trams (and honestly often public transport at all). I realise that while Tony Young article above is likely predisposed to be optimistic, surely it is overcoming the special nature of LRT development in this country that will allow for an eventual (hopefully...) proliferation of trams as a useful contributor to a region or cities transport.
 
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