It means introducing a train service designed to get a share of the revenues for traffic on a certain route, even if the passengers don't use the service but continue to use the existing operator. I'm sure others can put more meat on the bones.Hi,
I've seen a few references on this forum to 'ORCATS raids'. So what is an ORCATS raid?
I checked on Wikipedia which tells me that ORCATS is the railway wide computer system- but where does the raid come in?
Useful, but not entirely accurate. ORCATS is an allocation model (not a computer system) designed by British Rail long before the concept of Permitted Routes, and uses calculations of Generalised Journey Times (GJTs) for peak, off-peak and Season tickets to identify the likely use of different train services for a given journey. This does not mean that anyone that might carry the passenger gets an allocation. For example, a London Terminals - Birmingham Stations 'any permitted' ticket is valid from Paddington, but GWR don't get any money because (not unreasonably) ORCATS reckons you must either be a masochist or a gricer to go to Birmingham that way.
Step 1 is fineI did say outline
If you'd like to post something a bit more accurate comprehensive but still useful to the layman I'll happily change my bookmarked ORCATs explanation to your post
I go that way sometimes! XC are in the mix there too.For example, a London Terminals - Birmingham Stations 'any permitted' ticket is valid from Paddington, but GWR don't get any money because (not unreasonably) ORCATS reckons you must either be a masochist or a gricer to go to Birmingham that way.
It's worth saying that when an open access operator applies to the ORR to introduce the service, one of the things they have to demonstrate is that they are meeting demand not properly met elsewhere and the effect of the service is not primarily to abstract existing revenue from elsewhere. But most open access operators will nonetheless abstract some revenue in order to make the service make sense practically and commercially. Grand Central will take some York - Kings Cross revenue, for example.On ORCATs raid is when you do this deliberately. Most open access operations do it.
Yes, they would, although the flow record uses the actual station when a ticket is issued at a specific station within a station group (e.g. Euston or Marylebone). So a London Terminals - Birmingham Stations Anytime ticket bought at Euston will allocate to LM and VT but not CH; however if it was sold by TTL, all 3 would get a cut.I go that way sometimes! XC are in the mix there too.
Presumably LM and CH do get a measurable amount of the Any Permitted Birmingham-London revenue?
After each timetable change there is an agreed date for the ORCATS run which forms the timetable used for the allocation factors for the relevant periods. Where extensive engineering works will distort the results, either an additional run will be carried out post-the work or manual Agreed Allocations will be input for the affected flows.I often wonder if engineering works are taken into account - for example with GEML engineering work at present of a weekend EMT services are full and standing between Norwich and Ely for most of the day with Norwich to London Terminals any permitted tickets - it would seem a shame if they and GN don't get any extra revenue for this because for those of us involved it's a pain in the backside, especially when a huge number of cycles which would normally easily fit in a DVT turn up - on one recent journey I left over 10 behind at Norwich and Thetford combined, several of whom had also been refused from the previous train.