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What is this working - FRGT 1830 Boat Of Garten Gbrf to Dundee (24/09) [Answered]

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gsnedders said:
AIUI, everything run under a FoC's safety case appears as FRGT; traction doesn't matter, but rather who is operating it.
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Assuming that it is, in fact, the Royal Scotsman do they operate under different safety cases over different parts of their route?

I ask because what appears to be the prior working 1H81 0819 Kyle of Lochalsh to Boat Of Garten Gbrf has a 'real' headcode. #puzzled
 
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najaB said:
Assuming that it is, in fact, the Royal Scotsman do they operate under different safety cases over different parts of their route?

I ask because what appears to be the prior working 1H81 0819 Kyle of Lochalsh to Boat Of Garten Gbrf has a 'real' headcode. #puzzled
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I could, of course, have totally misunderstood something previously. :)

Could it be somehow related to it starting somewhere "weird" (i.e., Boat of Garten)?
 
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Glenmutchkin said:
Doesn't the 5 mean it is ECS and the 1 mean that it has passengers?
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Normally, yes. A 5 is ECS and 1 is express passenger. However, the service in question is a 1xxx from Kyle to Boat of Garten, then FRGT from Boat of Garten to Dundee (and apparently from Dundee to Edinburgh in the morning). What caught my eye is that it runs into Platform 3 at Dundee, where you would expect a freight (or ECS) to be put into the carriage sidings.
 
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najaB said:
I ask because what appears to be the prior working 1H81 0819 Kyle of Lochalsh to Boat Of Garten Gbrf has a 'real' headcode. #puzzled
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That train has been activated, so a headcode (a real one in this particular case
because GB headcodes are not scrambled) has been allocated to the schedule
in the data feeds - if you had looked at that schedule yesterday, it would also
have said [FRGT], not 1H81! :)

In comparison, the train mentioned by the OP has not yet been activated,
so RTT inserts a [FRGT] 'placeholder' to show that it is operated by an FOC,
with no headcode available before the train is activated.



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Freightmaster said:
That train has been activated, so a headcode (a real one in this particular case
because GB headcodes are not scrambled) has been allocated to the schedule
in the data feeds - if you had looked at that schedule yesterday, it would also
have said [FRGT], not 1H81! :)
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Quoting went wrong when I edited the post, so fixing it now...

Thanks for the info, I seem to remember you've pointed this out before so thanks for indulging my senior moment.

So I'm going to guess that the Boat of Garten to Dundee will be 1H82 (it was) and Dundee to Edinburgh 1H83. :)
 
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gsnedders said:
Forgive me for being stupid, but what's happening there?
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DarloRich said:
did the loco have to run round or the train clear a platform? Seems odd
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It was to run the loco round... only one loco (66743) was working the service - sometimes it's T'n'T I believe.

Platform 1 is the only platform of the two at the station with a headshunt/set of points into the adjacent ("West") sidings to release the loco and run it back round. So the Royal Scotsman arrived into P2 at 1528. The Elgin service arrived P1 at 1614 and left again at 1713, and once that was out of the way, the rather odd-looking ECS move above would've happened - i.e. 66743 will have reversed the stock out, run back in on P1; been released and used the headshunt to run back round the stock via the West Sidings.

66743 will then have taken the stock back out of P1 (this time being on the "front" as it left the station) then reversed back into P2 ready to leave in the morning to Boat of Garten.

The one bit I'm not sure about is why the Royal Scotsman didn't just use P1 in the first place and the Elgin service P2 (as came in after the Royal Scotsman) - but may be due to platform length (although they look similar length on Google maps) or some other operational reason. All normal service trains arrive/depart P1, so perhaps it's done so as not to disrupt the normal passengers/workings?

There's a track diagram I found on line which helps show the set-up; it's hand-drawn and c.10 years old, but I doubt much has changed... You can also get a feel for the track layout on Google Maps satellite/street map views.
 
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TimboM said:
It was to run the loco round... only one loco (66743) was working the service - sometimes it's T'n'T I believe.

Platform 1 is the only platform of the two at the station with a headshunt/set of points into the adjacent ("West") sidings to release the loco and run it back round. So the Royal Scotsman arrived into P2 at 1528. The Elgin service arrived P1 at 1614 and left again at 1713, and once that was out of the way, the rather odd-looking ECS move above would've happened - i.e. 66743 will have reversed the stock out, run back in on P1; been released and used the headshunt to run back round the stock via the West Sidings.

66743 will then have taken the stock back out of P1 (this time being on the "front" as it left the station) then reversed back into P2 ready to leave in the morning to Boat of Garten.

The one bit I'm not sure about is why the Royal Scotsman didn't just use P1 in the first place and the Elgin service P2 (as came in after the Royal Scotsman) - but may be due to platform length (although they look similar length on Google maps) or some other operational reason. All normal service trains arrive/depart P1, so perhaps it's done so as not to disrupt the normal passengers/workings?

There's a track diagram I found on line which helps show the set-up; it's hand-drawn and c.10 years old, but I doubt much has changed... You can also get a feel for the track layout on Google Maps satellite/street map views.
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cheers - was confused as I have only ever seen the train T&T.
 
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