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Ken H

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There is this thread on the rail section

So why not ask the same question here re buses.

I like buses from the 60's when I was a kid and rode them often. Not only to get about the city I grew up in (Leeds), but also for family days out as my parents never drove. So bus events where you can ride vintage vehicles are great for me.

But I love old bus timetables, and seeing where they went and how frequent etc. especially if there is a map.

And I like a day out riding the buses.

Never thought of helping restoring anything. I just dont have the skills - but respect for those who do.
 
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I'm more of a NBC era enthusiast. My local companies were Crosville and Ribble and I also liked Greater Manchester PTE. I too love old bus timetables - I have 2 Crosville ones from 1976 and love looking through them still.
 
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Been a bus enthusiast since I was a kid so over 40 years, and very much interested in the history, although before the 1970's is before my time so from then onwards. Generally a 'photter' and do try and get out and about with the camera when I can, also love a good bus trip, the more scenic the better!

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I always had an interest in buses from a very early age, can't explain why. Always thought it was a strange obsession (unlike trainspotting etc) and assumed I was the only person who felt like this. Then one day I was in a model shop in Glasgow and came across a copy of what was then called Buses Illustrated which I bought. At last I realised that there was a whole world of fellow weirdo's out there. 55 years later I'm still buying it although it now goes under the guise of just Buses.
 

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My interest simply came about because for much of my childhood we were a car-less family. Long distance journeys were made by train because my dad was in the RAF and we had warrants for travel, but local journeys were always by bus.

The two types I remember from childhood were the front-engined Ford R1014/R1114 and the rear-engined Albion Viking. The former was memorable because the seat immediately behind the driver's cab was usually tipped up to allow access to the cab and therefore I couldn't sit there (!), and the latter because of the howl that the engine made.

From primary 4 onwards we used to get taken to the swimming pool at the High School along the road and the vehicle allocation could be quite random. For a while it was covered by a Citylink-liveried vehicle, so usually a Duple Dominant-bodied Leyland Tiger or one of the newer Alexander TC Tigers. Once or twice the duty was covered by one of the Duple Goldliner "London Tigers" and we once had one of the early MCW Metroliners.

I suppose it was mostly about the noise in the early days :)
 

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I had an uncle who used to work on the buses for Merseyside PTE, plus my childhood home was on a busy bus route, going to & from Wallasey, so had an interest from early on.

My first day out i remember on the buses was May 1985, when i was 11, Wirral area only though, you couldn't go through to Liverpool without an adult, started venturing further late 80s when i discovered the GM Wayfarer ticket, so got the bug early

I'm not one for standing around taking photos though, i do take a quick snap on my phone, i'd rather go on interesting routes.

80s & 90s were an interesting time bus fleet wise, & route wise, there was more variety back then.
 

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I suppose most of my interest falls into two categories- travelling long or interesting routes and photography. If I have a spare day that will often be spent with an all day ticket and an attempt to do a long/scenic bus journey. Most recently done the 685 Newcastle - Carlisle and the 50 South Shields - Durham, next one planned will be the X18 Newcastle - Berwick.
On the other hand I'm very much a 'traditional' photographer - I have a spreadsheet to record the buses I've photographed on my travels. I've managed to get a photo of every vehicle in the Go North East Fleet- currently trying to complete Arriva North East but it's proving rather difficult to locate the rather elusive driver trainers!
 

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Growing up, I was about 90% interested in trains and 10% buses. Getting a job on the railway seemed to swing the balance the other way though, if not more! I love my job, but I guess being on trains every day has kind of meant there’s less desire to devote my free time to them as well (and perhaps the reality isn’t quite as my childhood imagined it might be!).

I think the constant change in the bus industry, such as the regular route and vehicle changes etc, probably also help keep things seem more fresh and interesting to me. My main interest is the way things work such as driver/vehicle scheduling and interworking, timetables, and the history of how operators and routes have evolved over time - primarily in the post-deregulation world. The vehicles themselves aren’t as much of the interest for me, with neither my train or bus interest ever having seen me collect numbers as sightings, but that hasn’t stopped me going and getting my licence and doing a bit of casual driving in my spare time, as well as taking various vehicles to rallies.
 

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I enjoy photographing buses both old and new, I also have a large collection of timetables, maps and other related ephemera that interests me. I also enjoy riding whole bus routes from start point to end point, the X2 from Liverpool to Preston is a favourite of mine, I am aiming to do the 901 from Melbourne Airport to Frankston which I believe is one of the longest routes in Australia at 3-4hrs long! on one ticket
 

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I started with collecting the numbers of Midland Red vehicles but of course , the outer areas of the Midland Red empire overlapped with other NBC operators/PTE's/municipalities etc and those operators overlapped with others and so on.
 
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I have never been particularly interested in specific vehicle types, engines, gearboxes etc. I'm not someone who will sit next to the engine to listen to a 'beautiful ZF', but I still naturally have a good knowledge of all bus types and will always enjoy seeing a variety of types around.

My interest has always been in the routes, operators and liveries, particularly in West Yorkshire. I started riding about on buses just to get out of the house when I was at college. Very quickly I started going further and further, which was my first time really out on my own and I felt a huge sense of freedom in being able to go wherever I wanted with my Mcard (timetable permitting!) My enthusiasm has mainly been in discovering new areas. The more scenic and winding, the better; and there's no better way to see things than from the top deck of a bus.

I also (mostly) enjoy the atmosphere, chatting to people, hearing conversations, listening to others have a laugh, and travelling in a social setting that you otherwise wouldn't get sitting in your own car.

I am also a keen bus photographer, but the reason behind this is to capture the variety of bus types, liveries, operators and routes in different locations over time, and to document something that may one day be lost, rather than just taking photos of buses to tick them off of a fleetlist.
 

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Gosh what are the categories? I'm not a photographer, nor a number collector, I'm just... interested?

I've always been interested in anything motorised. It started with cars and then when I started to use buses more heavily from the early 90s I was really taken by the sheer variety and gruffness on offer - Kelvin Central in my local area at the time was a mash of Nationals, Leopards, Dorchester's and other random oddities including the little cut down Fleetline in my profile.

Everything seemed more crude and loud back then.

Then I lost interest for many years and have slid back into active awareness in the last few years, having got fed up of the cost and sheer unreliability of rail and thus gone back to the bus for commuting.
 

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Started as a train spotter as a young boy, but interest waned as steam disappeared, and became more and more interested in buses as time went on. One uncle was a conductor on Thames Valley, another a trolleybus driver, then driving instructor for Reading Corporation as it was then. Still generally interested in all aspects of buses, though they come second to lorries (retired HGV driver).
 

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I started out as a rail enthusiast in around late 1982 / early 1983 (and that remained with me) but after a while I started noticing buses and becoming interested in their workings, in addition to rail. This would have been during 1984.

My peak interest was probably 1984 to early 1989, so the end of NBC and start of privatisation, but before the big companies really started taking over. Nationals and VRs were very much the dominant types, and Alder Valley (and to an extent London Country and Southdown) were the local operators. So VRs and Nationals are what I think of as "classic" buses.

Like my rail interest, I have always been particularly interested in "diagramming" and working patterns (including such things as ensuring double-deckers end up on school/college journeys). I remember one night I couldn't sleep in early 1985, amusing myself by trying to work out (successfully I think, though I never proved it) all 25-odd diagrams of Hindhead depot from the timetables. This was actually possible because:

a) prior to deregulation, buses had the "diagram number" (e.g. H17) on the front, near the driver;
b) I had observed enough "diagram numbers" at certain times of day to work it out, and;
c) the practice at the time appeared to be to run just about everything in passenger service, including early or late journeys to and from the depot.

(In 1985 I wasn't really old enough, in my parents' eyes, to roam round the county on a bus ticket, though by 1987 I was allowed to do this and consequently had quite an intimate knowledge of the workings of Alder Valley in the early post-deregulation period).

Still some interest left, for example I am looking forward to how Bluestar will operate their new routes which they have taken over from City Red.
 
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I am not a spotter or number collector, amazes me people can remember the bus numbers with a click of a button.

I enjoy discovering new routes and where buses go. Its tied in with an interest in travelling on new roads too.
 

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I am not a spotter or number collector, amazes me people can remember the bus numbers with a click of a button.

I enjoy discovering new routes and where buses go. Its tied in with an interest in travelling on new roads too.

That was also a big part of my interest in the late 80s. As a family we would always go on the same old roads, over and over again - yet from a very early age (before I discovered public transport) I was always fascinated with exploration. Getting an Explorer-style bus ticket (Alder Valley called them "Traveller", I think the price was around £2 - £3) allowed me to discover certain parts of the local area (30-mile radius or so) which I had never visited before.

Some of it was just average suburbia but even still, it was interesting just to see somewhere different.

In fact on one or two occasions there were conflicting factors when deciding the itinerary of the day: the desire to work out bus "diagrams" versus the desire to see new places. Ended up doing a bit of both in the end.
 
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I am not a spotter or number collector, amazes me people can remember the bus numbers with a click of a button.

I enjoy discovering new routes and where buses go. Its tied in with an interest in travelling on new roads too.
As a 14 year old in the early 70's I noticed that some of the Atlanteans in the Glasgow Corporation fleet based at Knightswood Garage had the wrong reg no's on the front panel. To access the electrics you had to remove the front section. This must have been a regular occurrence as it seems that a number of buses would be undergoing this maintenance at the same time. When it came to refitting the panel the mechanics were just picking up the closest unit without checking what bus it had been taken off.

I wrote to the HQ telling them about this and received a nice letter back which included a letter that would allow me to visit any depot that I wanted to, along with a considerable number of bus tokens to cover transport costs, which I gladly took advantage of. They also offered me a job as an apprentice mechanic (you could leave school at 15 in those days) but my dad insisted I stay on at school until I had sat my O Level exams. I subsequently joined the navy at 16 but have always wondered how my life would have turned out had I joined them.
 

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Timetables, diagrams, maps, leaflets…

…and the planning that goes into them, the attempts to satisfy multiple markets with finite resources (e.g. does it matter if a trunk corridor has one route running every twelve minutes, one every fifteen and one every twenty… Would it be better to run them each every fifteen to create a coordinated five minute frequency or do the far ends of the routes warrant those individual frequencies rather than imposing a fifteen minute frequency to a terminus that warrants something else?)

I think the fact that buses are so flexible helps ,i.e. they can adapt to changing demand within a few weeks, bus timetables can react to changes… whilst trains are stuck in timetable that might take several years to fully recast (any improvement to an XC service might just see it waiting another five minutes at the next junction station because there’s still only the “Old” path beyond there, so it’s hard to realise benefits in the railway)

Not really that bothered about vehicles/ engines/ mechanics, fleet numbers used to mean something to me when i was growing up but five digits at Stagecoach/ First are pretty meaningless to this Old Dog who refuses to learn them, never “spotted” in my life.

liveries are an interesting though, especially as there’s only so many ways of combining a couple of colours

I wrote to the HQ telling them about this and received a nice letter back which included a letter that would allow me to visit any depot that I wanted to, along with a considerable number of bus tokens to cover transport costs, which I gladly took advantage of

What a brilliant story, that made me smile, thanks for sharing
 

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The modern railway scene is so uniform therefore sterile and of limited interest, my relatively recent interest in classic buses, trolleybuses and coaches developed from a feeling of frustration with the modern railway scene
 

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I would say that I am an express bus enthusiast. I am interested in every express bus routes, including their speed, working, scheduling, etc. In particular I am interested in their peak loads and their competitiveness to other modes of transport, for example, cars and taxis.
 

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So, where to start with this one. I first started to notice buses whilst sitting in my pushchair - I recall seeing a green bus in a sea of red on a trip to the shops in Sth Wimbledon. The green bus in question being a Green line coach on either the 712 or 713. I started to take note at a very early age. As I grew up I really got into aeroplane's and spent many an hour/day at Heathrow and trying to convince my dad it would be a good day out(!). However, i always tried to keep up to date on the bus scene to.

As I got older I discovered Red Bus rovers and spent a lot of time riding the LT network and, of course, visiting the airport. I bought my first camera around 1980 to take photos of the planes but soon turned to buses. Ultimately I embarked on a 32 year career on the buses and was fortunate enough to be in a position to design and commission a couple of heritage liveries as well as creating liveries for my training buses.

I am basically a photographer and always strive to take a decent pic. Whilst I live and worked in London, the London bus operations have dominated my photographic collection but I discovered Hong Kong in 1994 and have visited many many times since. I still take pics of aeroplanes and have recently been doing more of it but not by neglecting the buses.

In the last couple of years I have decided to share my pictures via flickr and have invested in a scanner to scan the negs of my older prints. If interested my flickr site is here:


I have also amassed a fairly significant model bus collection (big HK model bus fan) as well as 1/400 scale aircraft models too..
 

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I'm a fan of quality, integrated public transport, of which bus is a key part. I am less interested in vehicles themselves but do know a bit about them. Secondarily I do enjoy a scenic route.
 

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London buses for me. When I first "took an interest" the entire trolleybus network was still extant. The Routemaster test rigs were to be seen occasionally:


The four RM prototypes were to be seen regularly. The predominant double-deck class was the RT family, with a handful of the 151 pre-war versions still to be seen on training and staff bus duties. The oldest vehicles were three or four AEC "T" single deckers still operating in the country area. Leyland "TD" single deckers operated on a few red routes with the 700 RF's being the predominant single deckers on red routes, green Country Area routes and Green Line services. Smaller classes were "RLH" lowbridge double deckers (red and green) and Guy "GS" 26 seaters (all green IIRC).

My interest waned when LT started operating buses with the engine stuck in the back. My cousin was a vehicle electrician for LT and he explained that an RM could work the morning peak, come in at 10am, undergo an engine change and be out on the road for the evening rush hour. The same exercise on a Leyland Atlantean or Daimler Fleetline took almost three days and involved largely demolishing and rebuilding the back of the bus.
 

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I'm a fan of quality, integrated public transport, of which bus is a key part. I am less interested in vehicles themselves but do know a bit about them. Secondarily I do enjoy a scenic route.
Scenic is good. Love going up high on a bus
59 Skipton - Harrogate
Bradford - Denholme - keighley
Keighley - Hebden Bridge
Halifax -Keighley
Even Ilkley - Skipton and Ilkley -Keighley.

Need to do Huddersfield - Oldham

The summer saturday 75 Settle - Malham - Skipton. Nice to bus 1 way and walk back

And up in t'Lakes there is the 555 Kendal - Keswick, the bus over Kirkstone and the Keswick - Patterdale bus to make the loop

When I was a kid we did Harrogate - Pateley Bridge - Greenhow. It was the 28 then. Probably about 1966.

Some trip reports in this thread https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/trips-by-bus-and-coach-your-reports.224583/
 

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1986 when I lived in Macclesfield, catching buses to school, a variety of Crosville 'bread van', VRs, Nationals ( with at least one dual purpose, and a least one Leopard coach.
 

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I am aiming to do the 901 from Melbourne Airport to Frankston which I believe is one of the longest routes in Australia at 3-4hrs long! on one ticket
Around 4 1/4 hours and 224 stops for $3.10 (£1.78) every 15-30 minutes - hard to beat!
 

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And up in t'Lakes there is the 555 Kendal - Keswick, the bus over Kirkstone and the Keswick - Patterdale bus to make the loop
A bit OT but it always puzzled me how some Stagecoach Cumberland (as they were in the 90s when I first saw them) routes were numbered in the 1-100 range and some in the 5xx range, with nothing in between. Recently I have learnt that the 5xx routes were originally operated by Ribble, and were part of their numbering system, and Cumberland originally only covered north and west Cumbria.
 

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For me it is a mixture of aspects. I used to be interested in the details of vehicles - I would say that was in the age that vehicles were interesting but recognise that this is in the eye of the beholder - most of today's buses seem pretty boring compared to a throbbing engine under your seat preferably with a tuneful gearbox and throaty exhaust. Since the Cummins L10 there hasn't been anything decent and Euro emissions progress has of course accelerated that. My interest in different types of modern bus is relatively modest know although I can generally tell types apart and have favourites (and unfavourites!).

Equally I used to be interested in the minutest detail of inter-working and unusual types etc, starting with London Country in the early 1970s. That is still of interest but at a broader level, it is interesting to see how some companies manage to operate routes far from their depots and interwork routes to maximise efficiency - sometimes of course at the expense of reliability and resilience in the face of problems (traffic, breakdowns etc).

Now it is the travelling, seeing places, from the top deck where it works, especially scenic routes, linking up attractive towns, and also some more urban sections and trips just taking in the surroundings and the transport scene. Started with green and red rovers in the late 1960s, travelling right round London (727-725-ferry-370-724) aged about 11, moving much further afield at university and since. I really appreciate the information available on BusTimes as to what operates on each route / working and help predict / manage any issues while out on the road. I like to get out 15-20 times a year on full-day trips, generally as far from home as possible.
 

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Being from South Yorkshire my interest was sparked by travelling on the Dennis Dominators loving the sound the Rolls Royce & Gardener engines made, then the B10M’s with Voith gearbox & the Leyland DAB Bendybuses & my interest has remained ever since.
 

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It definitely starts in childhood, a fascination with the big noisy mechanical thing that brings you so many new experiences, and later, fond memories of geography and family, grounding you in place and time. My childhood/early adulthood home town, long since moved away from, only truly felt alien decades later, once the last bus I saw delivered new was finally retired. My home town is now a corporate blob, with none of the charm of NBC, albeit the increasing decreptitude of financial and policy uncertainty, has a familiar feel.

I was lucky, with plenty of things to occupy my curious mind due to exposure to LT, NBC, SBG, PTE and municipal operation, and then the morbid fascination of the chaos of privatisation, through home life and family visits, plus childhood and student travel/living (London). I had and have no direct connection to buses beyond youth/school and London transport needs. Fascination with routes and networks comes easily from that basic use I guess, but it was definitely something about my neural makeup that made me notice feetnumbers, the gateway drug to all the knowledge to be found in the history and marketing and operation of buses. My dad was an engineer and tank/truck driver, so that explains the interest in the vehicle and engineering side. My degree is manufacturing, which explains why I am even interested in things like Wokington and Chiswick Works. It is with a profound sense of sadness therefore, that my lingering hopes to be a bus driver or restorer, are stymied by me knowing very well that I'd be rubbish at both.

I have maybe twenty books, and my childhood ticket/leaflet/map collection. The large piles of Buses mags were long ago thinned to a core of cherished meaning for the usual reasons, and yet even that will likely go soon, for lack of enduring value to me in middle age. I still check it for free at the Supermarket library, shamelessly cover to cover, the cost (even as a digital download) far exceeding my desire for the knowledge. I was never a huge photographer, and that only came in adulthood, once you could conduct that hobby without the shame of a visit to Boots. Being verbally abused by a driver is not fun, but it only happened once, the lack of any inherent desire to catalogue, publish or trade my photos better explains photography losing its interest for me. A collection of 1:72 scale models begun in middle age has definitely superseded all these as my collecting/visual muse, but the ticket collection will always be precious to me.

I never got too obsessive about any one specific part of the whole field (I only collected the tickets I bought, for example, never travelling simply to buy one, much less buying them second hand), never going as far as joining societies or taking newsletters. I've always been a generalist, interested in everything, perhaps suffering for that given I have always seemed to feel both quite at home and very out of place at enthusiast events. There was never really a coming out to friends and family, more of a general but unavoidable growing awareness, and I do proudly display my models. But I sense they, while confused, don't see my hobby as all that odd, given I can quite easily explain why it appeals, in a very rational way. Everyone has their thing, and this is mine, but it's not like I don't also like football and beer, like the Muggles, for whom buses seem to be magical and mysterious, and thus sadly typically avoided if they can help it. I am always amused and oddly chuffed at being seen as a Savant for knowing what we all consider to be the very basics of the bus industry.

I have never understood YouTubing or rivet counting, much less spotting (as distinct from recognition) and only briefly tried to create comprehensive fleet histories on spreadsheets. But I would be lying if I said I hadn't experimented to see if any of that sort of thing appealed, and bear no judgement on those who have these interests. Nor those who have done much deeper dives into very specific areas, or those for whom buses are far more interesting than football or beer. My hat is very much tipped to anyone who goes as far as preservation or voluntering/presenting. I've certainly deconstructed diagrams and pondered depot/station design, but only in my head. I'm the sort of guy whose interests cross pollinate and whose attention wanders if a task gets too onerous or unassailable without huge effort or commitment.

Historically, and now well in rear view mirror, some things I have done were in hindsight clearly not for healthy reasons, such as seeking knowledge/understanding or having fun. Perhaps related, I did spend hours tracing London maps as a student, and years cataloguing other people's photos (but not my own!?), which is pretty sad I guess, but I'm comfortable with it being part of who I am now, at least the former, while the latter still does seem like a tremendous waste of time. Driving ten hours in one day to attend my home town's centenary rally is both manifestly absurd and totally understandable to my sense of self. Werdly, that trip aside, I've done way more obsessive/costly/embarassing/social things in pursuit of an interest in trains and railways, but for whatever reason, perhaps the personal connection, I feel way more comfortable calling myself a bus enthusiast, and I at least know that the trains stuff was squarely about liking trains and having fun.
 
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