what the..? Greater Anglia to scrap clipping train tickets to protect wrists

[scott118]

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2016...rap-clipping-train-tickets-to-protect-wrists/

The company are also concerned about hole punches making a mess.

 

[ComUtoR]

Carpal tunnel ?

I can imagine it seems a little odd on the surface but clipping 100 tickets may be fine but 10,000 tickets later and your looking at long term wrist damage*






*dammit ruk I'm a Driver not a Dr.

 

[pemma]

So Abellio Anglia are concerned that conductors clipping up to 600 tickets per journey could give them RSI - sounds a reasonable assumption to me. They've used clippers making a mess as a secondary reason for proposing to get rid of them.

 

[tsr]

At my TOC ticket clippers are not compulsory. Once trained, staff can use them or any other method they choose to prevent fraud. I usually find a headcode and date in Sharpie fineliner works OK, but I do use a hole punch if I need to go through a magstripe, and even novelty clippers at some times of year

 

[Haitch]

Seems pretty reasonable to me. Moving with the times.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

You can also get RSI by holding a pen in a certain way for long periods of time

What'll be next, a wage increase demand for wear and tear of shoe leather?

Has there been any reported accidents in the use of clippers, i.e. clipping one's finger by mistake?

 

[trentside]

This appears to be entirely down to Greater Anglia.

Personally, I use a mixture of clippers and sharpie markers. Never had any problems myself, but each to their own!

 

[Johnuk123]

Yesterday we had the school where they can't blow a whistle to end playtime as it's deemed "violence" so the teacher puts their hand in the air instead.
We've been clipping tickets for 100 years or more I wonder how many medical problems it's caused.

 

[6Gman]

You can also get RSI by holding a pen in a certain way for long periods of time

What'll be next, a wage increase demand for wear and tear of shoe leather?

Has there been any reported accidents in the use of clippers, i.e. clipping one's finger by mistake?

It would be reasonable for guards to get tax relief (through a standard allowance) for shoe wear given the miles they walk up and down trains.

(My father - a driver - was given modest tax relief on watch repair costs as it was a tool of his trade.)

 

[gimmea50anyday]

TOC's provide the shoes, so no.

And fraudsters have figured out nail varnish remover also removes sharpie ink, however, too much stains the edges of the ticket.

Endorse the ticket on the back, then it cannot be removed. That's what I do, 1P55 off the commuters using open tickets as seasons!

 

[LowLevel]

Yesterday we had the school where they can't blow a whistle to end playtime as it's deemed "violence" so the teacher puts their hand in the air instead.
We've been clipping tickets for 100 years or more I wonder how many medical problems it's caused.

I know colleagues with RSI that has been attributed at least partially to ticket clipping. I never use one.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

TOC's provide the shoes, so no.

Really!? Honestly, I never knew that...

 

[306024]

That's my vote for non-story of the year already sorted. Should have been Alan Partridge reporting instead

It other news, in Norwich today a cat got stuck up a tree......

 

[tsr]

Really!? Honestly, I never knew that...

They're part of standard safety equipment required for most frontline railway roles, and as such they must be provided. Railway safety shoes/boots have (or used to have, up to recently - I think it's still in force) their own safety standards too.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The sensible long-term idea is in my view to scan the barcode on all tickets and store the "grip" electronically in far more detail than a stamp or punch ever can.

 

[Master29]

Daft that an issue is being made out of this. RSI is nowadays a recognised condition in many areas of work. Nothing to do with `elf and safety gone mad`

 

[gimmea50anyday]

The sensible long-term idea is in my view to scan the barcode on all tickets and store the "grip" electronically in far more detail than a stamp or punch ever can.

Those same barcodes should show the usage info to those checking tickets and to the ticket barriers. Scan a ticket, location date and time instantly uploaded to the cloud and instantly accessible when scanned again. That way there can be no arguement if and when a ticket has been used or not, and from where to where in the case of a break of journey.

Needs the train companies to put their heart into manning barriers and ticket checks properly and give the revenue protection officers the facilities powers and skills they need

 

[Llanigraham]

Those same barcodes should show the usage info to those checking tickets and to the ticket barriers. Scan a ticket, location date and time instantly uploaded to the cloud and instantly accessible when scanned again. That way there can be no arguement if and when a ticket has been used or not, and from where to where in the case of a break of journey.

Needs the train companies to put their heart into manning barriers and ticket checks properly and give the revenue protection officers the facilities powers and skills they need

And what happens when there is no internet access?
Outside your urban areas there are still large areas that do not have adequate or any suitable access.

 

[Bletchleyite]

And what happens when there is no internet access?
Outside your urban areas there are still large areas that do not have adequate or any suitable access.

The "grips" would be queued up in the guard's portable device to upload when it comes into signal. It's a tiny amount of data, so for an entire train's worth it would take seconds.

 

[tankmc]

Those same barcodes should show the usage info to those checking tickets and to the ticket barriers. Scan a ticket, location date and time instantly uploaded to the cloud and instantly accessible when scanned again. That way there can be no arguement if and when a ticket has been used or not, and from where to where in the case of a break of journey.

Needs the train companies to put their heart into manning barriers and ticket checks properly and give the revenue protection officers the facilities powers and skills they need

Would also help with Delay Repay. Both to stop people claiming when they didn't travel AND top prove that a claimant DID travel.

I have been refused nearly every claim on my season ticket by GN. Some of the excuses are "This train was not delayed" when it was delayed by a hour and a half and the latest one is "We do not have a departure from this station at the time you specified". If its scanned you can easily prove if you are due a refund.

 

[HH]

They could use a ZIFA stamper. Don't need the pressure of clippers.

 

[pne]

And fraudsters have figured out nail varnish remover also removes sharpie ink, however, too much stains the edges of the ticket.

Endorse the ticket on the back, then it cannot be removed. That's what I do, 1P55 off the commuters using open tickets as seasons!

Why can ink be removed from the front of the ticket but not from the back?

 

[Qwerty133]

Why can ink be removed from the front of the ticket but not from the back?

The front of tickets have a glossy service whereas the back don't...

 

[TheManWho]

You can also get RSI by holding a pen in a certain way for long periods of time

What'll be next, a wage increase demand for wear and tear of shoe leather?

Has there been any reported accidents in the use of clippers, i.e. clipping one's finger by mistake?

Sorry to arrive late to the party- I don't need a wage increase for wear and tear of shoe leather, my company issues me with shoes to wear whilst I'm at work so they pay for wear and tear