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4COR

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Nice haul, @4COR
Is that Maunsell CK a set-less "loose" strengthener? Or is it part of a specific set number?
In my dimwittery, my BTK & TK examples, in SR lined green, are all from different 3- and 4- coach sets...
Technically part of 233, and both numbered BTKs are available from Hornby, but it's a 4-set and I don't know if 5677 is around to go with it - I've not found it...

I may yet renumber depending (it's the right diagram to become a 3-set in the 222-232 range) - I also need to try and find when these high window Maunsells went back into green (I think I need a copy of Gould....)

The Parkside kits need a bit of thinking about - the transfers I have for some of these kits don't quite tie up with the diagrams I think they are for (PC08 is one - this has been re-released too...). There will be a few that I will probably re-sell as they are out of area/timescale.
 

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Technically part of 233, and both numbered BTKs are available from Hornby, but it's a 4-set and I don't know if 5677 is around to go with it - I've not found it...

I may yet renumber depending (it's the right diagram to become a 3-set in the 222-232 range) - I also need to try and find when these high window Maunsells went back into green (I think I need a copy of Gould....)

The Parkside kits need a bit of thinking about - the transfers I have for some of these kits don't quite tie up with the diagrams I think they are for (PC08 is one - this has been re-released too...). There will be a few that I will probably re-sell as they are out of area/timescale.
There's always a market for completed kits when you have folk with minimal kit making capabilities, like me.
 

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Another very speculative bid on a Maunsell BTK in blood and custard came in for a very good price and arrived today. Looks like I might be renumbering coaches after all if I can find one more cheap Maunsell BTK...

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My son bought 3 Railtrack autoballasters on eBay.

As usual, anything with damage gets passed to me to fix!

They had been poorly weathered and had a not very convincing loose load firmly glued in.

Also had bent buffers and parts of the canopy structure snapped.

Cue weeks of using tweezers to carefully pull out the offending loads. A before photo is shown with an after photo, being the generator wagon which looked the same as the other before I started.

I need to complete all to the same standard and paint the insides to finish.

Before (obviously)!

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After, also obviously!

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4COR

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Hornby's BR(SR) MK1 Catering (RBR) Coach No.S1696 (R40025)

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Another Southern Region fan - very nice!

My son bought 3 Railtrack autoballasters on eBay.

As usual, anything with damage gets passed to me to fix!

They had been poorly weathered and had a not very convincing loose load firmly glued in.

Also had bent buffers and parts of the canopy structure snapped.

Cue weeks of using tweezers to carefully pull out the offending loads. A before photo is shown with an after photo, being the generator wagon which looked the same as the other before I started.

I need to complete all to the same standard and paint the insides to finish.

Before (obviously)!

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After, also obviously!

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That is a very fine job indeed and very much worth the time expended. Is there a plan to run a full rake of autoballasters? I remember watching a full train of these pass at Tottenham Hale before - seemingly went on forever!
 

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That is a very fine job indeed and very much worth the time expended. Is there a plan to run a full rake of autoballasters? I remember watching a full train of these pass at Tottenham Hale before - seemingly went on forever!
Thanks!

Yes, JJAs run as fixed rakes of 5, one generator and 4 non generator wagons. I’d need another 2 without the generator to complete one set.

I’ve previously rescued a rake of 4 EWS HTA wagons which suffered from similar untidy loads glued in and other damage. That proved a lot of work also. Both the HTAs and JJAs were cheaply obtained due to their condition, so as you say the effort is worth it in the end!
 

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My son bought this, when it arrived by post the power bogie was detached, trailing bogie wheels and retaining clip were loose in the package, lower buffer beams snapped, and one buffer and coupling missing. There was even a staple magnetised to the motor that I had to fish out!

Repairing the bogies was fiddly but straightforward. 66751 has rectangular buffers in reality so I replaced all with these from a class 92. I had spare couplings so these were added easily enough.

A design flaw of the Lima and Hornby class 66 lower buffer beams is that they are very fragile. I’ve found it is better to use the solid spare provided and cut a smaller hole that fits snugly around the NEM pocket, as seen here.

Luckily the body was in extremely good condition with no scratches.

I wonder what broken item my son will buy next?
 

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Got this today from the MCC shop in Hinckley. Some great offers on clearance items. The Bachmann 150 in provincial livery looking nice at just £173!! Might pop down again....
 

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GatwickDepress

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Got this today from the MCC shop in Hinckley. Some great offers on clearance items. The Bachmann 150 in provincial livery looking nice at just £173!! Might pop down again....
Blimey, that's a good discount! Those Bachmann coaches are fantastic quality, but I'm not sure I could justify 80 smackers RRP on one.

My son bought this, when it arrived by post the power bogie was detached, trailing bogie wheels and retaining clip were loose in the package, lower buffer beams snapped, and one buffer and coupling missing. There was even a staple magnetised to the motor that I had to fish out!

Repairing the bogies was fiddly but straightforward. 66751 has rectangular buffers in reality so I replaced all with these from a class 92. I had spare couplings so these were added easily enough.

A design flaw of the Lima and Hornby class 66 lower buffer beams is that they are very fragile. I’ve found it is better to use the solid spare provided and cut a smaller hole that fits snugly around the NEM pocket, as seen here.

Luckily the body was in extremely good condition with no scratches.

I wonder what broken item my son will buy next?
At this rate, you'll be getting more work than Eastleigh! Impressive little repair job too.
 

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Not my modelling era or region but Rails has a 24 hour flash sale on selected Heljan OO class 07 shunters
£79.50 whilst stocks last or until Wed 26-March 17:00
 

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Need to work through the unbuilt kits a bit quicker and found 3 pairs of cheap 3 hole wheels to help me do so.

Unfortunately, also found three (slightly elderly, so will be interesting to see how they go together) Cambrian kits as well :| (two LNER rivetted 16 tonners, and an SR 8 plank open...)

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My Koploper quest continues with another Lima variant, this time wearing an advertising livery for the Aegon insurance company. Despite the livery dating from the early 90s, it looks remarkably modern and I could easily see a modern unit wearing something similar. The printing on the letters on the sides of the carriages isn't quite prototypical as it's missing some drop shadow, but I think Lima did a good approximation considering budgetary and technological limitations.

The previous owner fitted weights to the motorised vehicle and passengers throughout, which I do appreciate. The weight has shifted so a little nudging and glueing down is required to stop the Koploper pretending to be a Pendolino.

Very happy with this purchase indeed.
 

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My Koploper quest continues with another Lima variant, this time wearing an advertising livery for the Aegon insurance company. Despite the livery dating from the early 90s, it looks remarkably modern and I could easily see a modern unit wearing something similar. The printing on the letters on the sides of the carriages isn't quite prototypical as it's missing some drop shadow, but I think Lima did a good approximation considering budgetary and technological limitations.

The previous owner fitted weights to the motorised vehicle and passengers throughout, which I do appreciate. The weight has shifted so a little nudging and glueing down is required to stop the Koploper pretending to be a Pendolino.

Very happy with this purchase indeed.
Amazing what a difference a livery makes to the appearance of that unit- I'd struggle to identify that it was a Koploper if you hadn't said, because I'm so used to them being yellow!
A close up of the end of the centre car could easily be mistaken for a 158 in Northern colours, maybe there's a proposition for the "Guess The Train" game if models are allowed!
 

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Amazing what a difference a livery makes to the appearance of that unit- I'd struggle to identify that it was a Koploper if you hadn't said, because I'm so used to them being yellow!
A close up of the end of the centre car could easily be mistaken for a 158 in Northern colours, maybe there's a proposition for the "Guess The Train" game if models are allowed!
I felt the same way when I saw a European carriage in person and thought 'ooh, looks like a bit like a Mark 4' - probably just because of the lights!
 

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I’ve just picked up a Hornby Skaledale derelict barn to occupy an awkward corner on the layout and maintain a rural theme. I was a little worried by the colour of the roof as it looked redder online, but it is darker in real life so in keeping with my location.


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I’ve just picked up a Hornby Skaledale derelict barn to occupy an awkward corner on the layout and maintain a rural theme. I was a little worried by the colour of the roof as it looked redder online, but it is darker in real life so in keeping with my location.


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Looks good. Those resin buildings really are in a league of their own.
 

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Yep - they do look the part straight out of the box. Will look super deposited in the corner of a rough field in the Highlands!

At some point recently, I successfully completed another revolution around the sun, and amongst a few other tools and bits, received this (from a bemused wife who had to order it...).

Challenges lie forth...

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Ordered a Class 47 from TMC The Model Centre which arrived damaged. The parcel itself was not damaged and the loco was well packed inside yet somehow one corner of the loco has been hit hard damaging a buffer and breaking its base and flattening the handrail above it even though the whole loco was protected. No damage to the parcel tells me that it must have been sent that way. I am furious! I've not actually fully opened it because it is going back anyway. I rang TMC but no answer, I emailed them 3 times but no response. They seem to be hiding which confirms my suspicions. Fancy doing this to a customer, its scandalous!
 

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Ordered a Class 47 from TMC The Model Centre which arrived damaged. The parcel itself was not damaged and the loco was well packed inside yet somehow one corner of the loco has been hit hard damaging a buffer and breaking its base and flattening the handrail above it even though the whole loco was protected. No damage to the parcel tells me that it must have been sent that way. I am furious! I've not actually fully opened it because it is going back anyway. I rang TMC but no answer, I emailed them 3 times but no response. They seem to be hiding which confirms my suspicions. Fancy doing this to a customer, its scandalous!
A lack of marking or damage to packaging does not rule out damage in transit. Packing materials are designed to absorb impacts so wouldn't necessarily break or tear when struck. If the parcel was dropped or thrown and happened to impact at an unfortunate angle, damage can still happen despite the model being seemingly well protected.
Try contacting them again on Monday. Many retailers don't have so many "back office" staff in on weekends even if that's a busy day on the shop floor, so there's fewer hands on deck to answer the phone.

It's understandable to be upset in situations like this, but try to stay calm if/when you manage to speak to someone at TMC. Even if they have a "bad egg" working for them who either sends out damaged models or sends out poorly-protected models, chances are that won't be the person you speak to. Damage in transit still strikes me as the most likely scenario though.
 
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A lack of marking or damage to packaging does not rule out damage in transit. Packing materials are designed to absorb impacts so wouldn't necessarily break when struck. If the parcel was dropped or thrown and happened to impact at an unfortunate angle, damage can still happen despite the model being seemingly well protected.
Try contacting them again on Monday. Many retailers don't have so many "back office" staff in on weekends even if that's a busy day on the shop floor, so there's fewer hands on deck to answer the phone.
I concur.

I’ve ordered a lot from TMC over the last few years and I’ve never had an issue and have found them to be consistently excellent. There is no incentive for them to post a dodgy model, as it would just cost them more in return postage and sending out a new model, so it is unlikely to have been a deliberate act.

Yep - they do look the part straight out of the box. Will look super deposited in the corner of a rough field in the Highlands!

At some point recently, I successfully completed another revolution around the sun, and amongst a few other tools and bits, received this (from a bemused wife who had to order it...).

Challenges lie forth...

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Nice! I’ve always quite liked those shorter coaches, they look good and a bit different in a rake. Good luck with the construction :)
 
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A lack of marking or damage to packaging does not rule out damage in transit. Packing materials are designed to absorb impacts so wouldn't necessarily break or tear when struck. If the parcel was dropped or thrown and happened to impact at an unfortunate angle, damage can still happen despite the model being seemingly well protected.
Try contacting them again on Monday. Many retailers don't have so many "back office" staff in on weekends even if that's a busy day on the shop floor, so there's fewer hands on deck to answer the phone.

It's understandable to be upset in situations like this, but try to stay calm if/when you manage to speak to someone at TMC. Even if they have a "bad egg" working for them who either sends out damaged models or sends out poorly-protected models, chances are that won't be the person you speak to. Damage in transit still strikes me as the most likely scenario though.
It cannot have been damaged in transit in this instance because the buffer beam part that was damaged is not connected to any part of the ice-box packaging, it is in the open with nothing else near it that could have struck it or that shows any damage that could have affected it. The large amount of bubble wrap encasing the whole contents meant that there could not have been a huge impact on the damaged area or indeed any impact because neither the loco box or anything else shows damage, otherwise I would agree with your comments.
Unfortunately it is clear what they did and it is unforgiveable to treat a customer this way, especially when you then go on to ignore that customer instead of attempting to resolve the matter.
As I begin to build my layout and purchase loco's etc I will be giving TMC a wide berth so their actions here will cost them dearly as the amount needed to build a layout these days [DCC with sound fitted loco's] is quite considerable.
 

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Nice! I’ve always quite liked those shorter coaches, they look good and a bit different in a rake. Good luck with the construction :)
Thanks - will be my first effort at a brass kit but got it as it's a bit different, and will build it into a parcels rake. I have other coaches of various diagrams I would like long term that are not available in RTR/plastic kit, so it's also a bit of a trial run/practice. I was partly inspired by this shot of a short working behind 80152 at Woking (phot: The Jeyes, Flickr):

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@Epic
Over how many days were your three emails sent to TMC?
Or were all three emails sent on the same day? Was that yesterday (Saturday 12th), or an earlier day in that week?

It sounds most likely that the loco was damaged at source (China), or during its time inside a shipping container.
That would explain why the loco's packaging isn't damaged - a violent jolt could damage loco but not the box.

Perhaps TMC simply missed that damage, when they picked up that very loco to send to you.
It does happen occasionally with online deliver-to-customer retailers, even though TMC's team should have spotted that with proper pre-posting checks.
I've ordered locos and stock from them over the years and I have never had a damaged item.


I was partly inspired by this shot of a short working behind 80152 at Woking (phot: The Jeyes, Flickr):

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Here are a few more to whet your appetite, albeit other British Railways regions. :)
 
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It cannot have been damaged in transit in this instance because the buffer beam part that was damaged is not connected to any part of the ice-box packaging, it is in the open with nothing else near it that could have struck it or that shows any damage that could have affected it. The large amount of bubble wrap encasing the whole contents meant that there could not have been a huge impact on the damaged area or indeed any impact because neither the loco box or anything else shows damage, otherwise I would agree with your comments.
Unfortunately it is clear what they did and it is unforgiveable to treat a customer this way, especially when you then go on to ignore that customer instead of attempting to resolve the matter.
As I begin to build my layout and purchase loco's etc I will be giving TMC a wide berth so their actions here will cost them dearly as the amount needed to build a layout these days [DCC with sound fitted loco's] is quite considerable.
My point was more that you seem to be falling foul of "Hanlon's Razor"- and seeing malice or cruelty where none exists. As I said, many retailers though they open on weekends don't have the back office staff in on those days. As you've received a damaged item you are of course within your rights to seek recompense (be it in the form of a refund or replacement) but I don't think you're giving TMC much chance to put things right before accusing them of ignoring you.
 

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