Where do the big bus companies place in terms of size?

[cnjb8]

Who are the top companies in terms of size. Following recent expansions by Rotala, National Express, West Coast Motors and GoAhead, the list has got to have changed. Anyone have any different ideas?

1. Stagecoach (undisputed leader)
2. First
3. Arriva
4. GoAhead
5. National Express (as in West Midlands, Dundee, Kings Ferry etc, not the contracted coach routes)
6. Rotala
7. CT Plus
8. West Coast Motors Group
9. Transdev
10. Wellglade Group
11. Julian Peddle Companies (DG Bus, Centrebus, Midland Classic)
12. Comfort DelGro
13. Lothian
14. RATP Dev

 

[mjc]

To some extent at least it will depend on what metric you want to use. Something operational (fleet, area covered, route mileage) or something financial (turnover, net assets, market value)?

 

[Andyh82]

I'm guessing he means fleet size

 

[cnjb8]

I'm guessing he means fleet size

Yes you would be correct

 

[Mal]

Who are the top companies in terms of size. Following recent expansions by Rotala, National Express, West Coast Motors and GoAhead, the list has got to have changed. Anyone have any different ideas?

1. Stagecoach (undisputed leader)
2. First
3. Arriva
4. GoAhead
5. National Express (as in West Midlands, Dundee, Kings Ferry etc, not the contracted coach routes)
6. Rotala
7. CT Plus
8. West Coast Motors
9. Transdev
10. Wellglade Group
11. Julian Peddle Companies (DG Bus, Centrebus, Midland Classic)
12. Comfort DelGro
13. Lothian
14. RATP Dev

I would put Lothian up much higher than 13. as they have about 900 buses and coaches for use spread over their companies. That is Lothian City, East Coast, Lothian Country, Lothian Motorcoaches, Airport Routes and the Tours. (The 27 strong heritage fleet and 27 trams are not included either.)

 

[Jordan Adam]

West Coast Motors would be way outside the top 15, i'm fairly certain their total fleet is only about 240 vehicles.

 

[Robertj21a]

Who are the top companies in terms of size. Following recent expansions by Rotala, National Express, West Coast Motors and GoAhead, the list has got to have changed. Anyone have any different ideas?

1. Stagecoach (undisputed leader)
2. First
3. Arriva
4. GoAhead
5. National Express (as in West Midlands, Dundee, Kings Ferry etc, not the contracted coach routes)
6. Rotala
7. CT Plus
8. West Coast Motors
9. Transdev
10. Wellglade Group
11. Julian Peddle Companies (DG Bus, Centrebus, Midland Classic)
12. Comfort DelGro
13. Lothian
14. RATP Dev

Any idea where that list came from ? - there's a few that look suspect.

 

[cnjb8]

Any idea where that list came from ? - there's a few that look suspect.

No it was just my idea. Trying to work out what the correct list was

 

[Andyh82]

I think the current rankings are something like this

1​	Stagecoach​	8,300​
2​	Go-Ahead Group​	5,224​
3​	FirstGroup​	5,200​
4​	Arriva​	5,030​
5​	Comfort Delgro​	1,700​
6​	National Express Group​	1,700​
7​	RATP Dev​	1,000​
8​	Lothian Buses​	800​
9​	Rotala​	700​
10​	Transit Systems​	500​
11​	Transdev​	470​
12​	Wellglade​	450​
13​	Centrebus​	330​
14​	Nottingham City Transport​	330​

An extra note, HCT Group are not included there, its hard to know how many of their vehicles are actually "buses"

 

[upasalmon]

Abellio has 750 buses, which would place them at 9th knocking those below down one place. I think Arriva and Go-Ahead are a bit too high, unless overseas operations are counted

 

[cnjb8]

I think the current rankings are something like this

1​	Stagecoach​	8,300​
2​	Go-Ahead Group​	5,224​
3​	FirstGroup​	5,200​
4​	Arriva​	5,030​
5​	Comfort Delgro​	1,700​
6​	National Express Group​	1,700​
7​	RATP Dev​	1,000​
8​	Lothian Buses​	800​
9​	Rotala​	700​
10​	Transit Systems​	500​
11​	Transdev​	470​
12​	Wellglade​	450​
13​	Centrebus​	330​
14​	Nottingham City Transport​	330​

An extra note, HCT Group are not included there, its hard to know how many of their vehicles are actually "buses"

This makes my list very wrong, but this sounds more right.

 

[higthomas]

I think the current rankings are something like this

1​	Stagecoach​	8,300​
2​	Go-Ahead Group​	5,224​
3​	FirstGroup​	5,200​
4​	Arriva​	5,030​
5​	Comfort Delgro​	1,700​
6​	National Express Group​	1,700​
7​	RATP Dev​	1,000​
8​	Lothian Buses​	800​
9​	Rotala​	700​
10​	Transit Systems​	500​
11​	Transdev​	470​
12​	Wellglade​	450​
13​	Centrebus​	330​
14​	Nottingham City Transport​	330​

An extra note, HCT Group are not included there, its hard to know how many of their vehicles are actually "buses"

Interesting list. I imagine I wasn't the only one who basically forgot the London franchising only operators. Massive fleets, but very indistinguishable.

And that Lothian fleet size; wow! Edinburgh isn't that big a city.

 

[Simon75]

Centrebus.. I guess just Centrebus and D&G ? Don't forget High Peak is 50/50 Wellgrade/Centrebus

 

[Robertj21a]

Centrebus.. I guess just Centrebus and D&G ? Don't forget High Peak is 50/50 Wellgrade/Centrebus

Peddle has at least Centrebus, Midland Classic, D&G, Select Bus and High Peak (50%) - it depends if you want to include it as a group (as Wellglade).

Interesting list. I imagine I wasn't the only one who basically forgot the London franchising only operators. Massive fleets, but very indistinguishable.

And that Lothian fleet size; wow! Edinburgh isn't that big a city.

Edinburgh population is over 0.5million !
Also, a large sightseeing fleet, plus recent expansion to areas way outside the city

 

[90019]

I believe Lothian's fleet including tour buses and coaches is currently around 860 buses, but I'm sure someone else will have more accurate figures.

 

[Roilshead]

I presume we're talking about the UK here? - in which case NI's Translink (Metro/Ulsterbus/Goldline/Foyle Metro/Ulsterbus Tours) can muster a fleet of around 1350, which puts it above RATP DEV in the list above.

 

[upasalmon]

Interesting list. I imagine I wasn't the only one who basically forgot the London franchising only operators. Massive fleets, but very indistinguishable.

And that Lothian fleet size; wow! Edinburgh isn't that big a city.

Don't forget the company serves all most of the Lothians, Greater Edinburgh as it were.

Don't forget the company serves all most of the Lothians, Greater Edinburgh as it were.

Translink Ulster above RATP.
Abellio above Rotala.
Rotala down to Nottingham CT are positions 11 to 16. Unless someone knows different........