Where is this station?

[Inversnecky]

Can someone please identify this London station for me? Thanks.

 

[Cowley]

Looks like Waterloo sometime around the early 60s to me (thinking that there’s no yellow warning panels around)?

 

[Darandio]

I'm not sure Waterloo had platform canopies extending out from the main shed like that?

 

[Peter C]

I would have said Waterloo as well - the traction, the trackwork curving around into the station, and the bridge carrying the railway over the road.

I'm not sure Waterloo had platform canopies extending out from the main shed like that?

The photo in post one of this thread on RMWeb seems to suggest that it did - on the far left of the frame: rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/141122-what-locos-are-in-this-picture-of-waterloo-station/

-Peter

 

[Cowley]

I'm not sure Waterloo had platform canopies extending out from the main shed like that?

It did back in those days:

London Waterloo Station in Pictures - Flashbak

There has been a station at Waterloo since July 1848 when London and South Western Railway extended their line from Nine Elms. It was initially named Waterloo Bridge Station after the nearby bridge. Nowadays, according to The Railway Magazine, it is Britain’s busiest railway station, although...

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[Peter C]

It did back in those days:

London Waterloo Station in Pictures - Flashbak

There has been a station at Waterloo since July 1848 when London and South Western Railway extended their line from Nine Elms. It was initially named Waterloo Bridge Station after the nearby bridge. Nowadays, according to The Railway Magazine, it is Britain’s busiest railway station, although...

flashbak.com

I've just been quickly scrolling down that page and the sixth picture's made me giggle - imagine the hilarity which would ensue if that group got split...

-Peter

 

[MotCO]

I agree that it is Waterloo - the pub on the other side of the bridge can be seen in this Googlestreet view.

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(Link shows a picture of a building today also seen in the OP's photo)

I was hoping that the archive pictures of Waterloo would show the rail link between Waterloo Mainline and Waterloo East. When did the link close, and are there any photos of it?

 

[DelW]

Looks like Waterloo sometime around the early 60s to me (thinking that there’s no yellow warning panels around)?

I'd have thought it's earlier than that, from the extent of the bomb damage to the building on the left. Although there were still bomb sites around in the 1950s and maybe early 60s, I think that sort of damage would have been repaired, or the building demolished, before then.

 

[deltic14]

Definitely Waterloo. I think the image is a screen shot from a British Transport Films production.

 

[Journeyman]

I was hoping that the archive pictures of Waterloo would show the rail link between Waterloo Mainline and Waterloo East. When did the link close, and are there any photos of it?

I don't know the exact date, but it barely made it into the 20th century, and regular use had stopped long before that.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Definately London Waterloo

I would guess around mid-late 1950s?

 

[Cowley]

I'd have thought it's earlier than that, from the extent of the bomb damage to the building on the left. Although there were still bomb sites around in the 1950s and maybe early 60s, I think that sort of damage would have been repaired, or the building demolished, before then.

Interesting point. I’m not too up on my SR EMUs but is there any way of dating the stock that’s on view?

 

[Darandio]

Interesting point. I’m not too up on my SR EMUs but is there any way of dating the stock that’s on view?

I think the one in prominent view is certainly 1956 onwards. Happy to be proven wrong again!

 

[Cowley]

I think the one in prominent view is certainly 1956 onwards. Happy to be proven wrong again!

We’re not far off pinning it down to an actual date at this rate.

 

[DelW]

I was hoping that the archive pictures of Waterloo would show the rail link between Waterloo Mainline and Waterloo East. When did the link close, and are there any photos of it?

I think the left hand bridge on the 1911 photo is the link bridge over Waterloo Road. The plate girders and underslung transverse beams match the remaining span, though the superstructure has been removed. Of course the buildings in the photo predate the current station.

 

[Bevan Price]

I think the one in prominent view is certainly 1956 onwards. Happy to be proven wrong again!

Has to be 1956 onwards. That is when they started to rebuild Merchant Navy Class.

 

[Cowley]

I think the left hand bridge on the 1911 photo is the link bridge over Waterloo Road. The plate girders and underslung transverse beams match the remaining span, though the superstructure has been removed. Of course the buildings in the photo predate the current station.

Looks like the link was removed in 1911 according to Kent Rail as well:

Waterloo East

www.kentrail.org.uk

 

[Journeyman]

Has to be 1956 onwards. That is when they started to rebuild Merchant Navy Class.

None of the EMUs have small yellow warning panels either, so it can't be later than about 1962.

 

[Cowley]

None of the EMUs have small yellow warning panels either, so it can't be later than about 1962.

Right I’m going for 1st August 1959 10:12am and Fred was driving the Bulleid...

 

[deltic14]

Has to be 1956 onwards. That is when they started to rebuild Merchant Navy Class.

It is not a Merchant Navy - their plates were round and mounted on the boiler. Judging by the style of the crest above the nameplate it is a rebuilt West Country so it is after June 1957 when the first was rebuilt...

 

[Journeyman]

It is not a Merchant Navy - their plates were round and mounted on the boiler. Judging by the style of the crest above the nameplate it is a rebuilt West Country so it is after June 1957 when the first was rebuilt...

Well spotted! I'm trying to work out if the closest EMU is a 2-NOL, but it's a bit too blurry to tell it apart from a BIL. If it's the former, we can narrow down the later date to about 1960.

 

[Cowley]

It is not a Merchant Navy - their plates were round and mounted on the boiler. Judging by the style of the crest above the nameplate it is a rebuilt West Country so it is after June 1957 when the first was rebuilt...

I’m only looking at this on a small phone screen but it looks like you’re right.
In my mind I always imagined that the Light Pacifics and BBs operated west of Salisbury and on the Kent lines whereas the MNs were entrusted to most of the expresses out of Waterloo. I don’t really know though?

 

[Journeyman]

I’m only looking at this on a small phone screen but it looks like you’re right.
In my mind I always imagined that the Light Pacifics and BBs operated west of Salisbury and on the Kent lines whereas the MNs were entrusted to most of the expresses out of Waterloo. I don’t really know though?

The smaller Pacifics were common on services in and out of Waterloo. Remember there were over a hundred of them, and only thirty MNs.

 

[Cowley]

The smaller Pacifics were common on services in and out of Waterloo. Remember there were over a hundred of them, and only thirty MNs.

Good point and I suppose there were Standard 5s on passenger workings out of there too back then.
Definitely on my list of things to do once I’ve got this flux capacitor sorted out.

 

[Irascible]

Well spotted! I'm trying to work out if the closest EMU is a 2-NOL, but it's a bit too blurry to tell it apart from a BIL. If it's the former, we can narrow down the later date to about 1960.

Looking at the roof that does not look like a 2-car unit.

It's possible that burned out building just burned out, of course!

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Well spotted! I'm trying to work out if the closest EMU is a 2-NOL, but it's a bit too blurry to tell it apart from a BIL. If it's the former, we can narrow down the later date to about 1960.

It looks like a 4-SUB ( class 405 ) to me?

 

[Journeyman]

Good point and I suppose there were Standard 5s on passenger workings out of there too back then.
Definitely on my list of things to do once I’ve got this flux capacitor sorted out.

Haha! My son and I had a fascinating discussion about our fantasy time-travel trainspotting plans recently.

They include:

• Glasgow Subway when it was operated by cable in one direction and electric trains in the other
• Sheffield to Manchester behind an EM2
• The Great Central in its final years (including the Rugby to Nottingham DMU shuttle)
• The Fifteen Guinea Special

It looks like a 4-SUB ( class 405 ) to me?

Sorry, I'm talking about the one behind the steam train.

 

[Irascible]

Sorry, I'm talking about the one behind the steam train.

Looks like there's a step in the side towards the front end of the nearest carriage ( you can see the window bottoms don't align ) if that helps.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Sorry, I'm talking about the one behind the steam train.

Smooth looking front, but does appear to have the BIL / HAL raked roof shape otherwise I'd have thought it to be an EPB... Could it be an EPB with a shadow on the roof, I wonder?

 

[Bungle158]

We’re not far off pinning it down to an actual date at this rate.

Ref the "longer" emu...Very difficult to say from the blurred image. I initially thought 2 BILs. I remember them being coupled up together, as many as 4 sets. 2HALs are also a possibility, lots of them moved over from the SE division when EPB type stock became the norm there, l think in the mid 50s.