Aictos
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About time now if they can give the go ahead to Gatwick and Heathrow being expanded as well as NPR then all is good.
If Gatwick (very cheap) goes ahead it will be very difficult for Heathrow to make the finances work to do the 3rd runway...About time now if they can give the go ahead to Gatwick and Heathrow being expanded as well as NPR then all is good.
Now is the time to also commit to Liverpool-Mànchester-Leeds-Hull.
What about the castlefield corridor/northern powerhouse?
Supposed to be announced at the same time
Is there a plan for HS3 rather than a trite collection of aspirations? Northern cities are not known for all pulling in the same direction on major projects so how quickly could a costed plan, with service levels, a defined route and at least a basic geological case for what would be a very technical risk loaded project be prepared. Can TfN even table proposals that adequately define what the government should be committing to?Now is the time to also commit to Liverpool-Mànchester-Leeds-Hull.
Phase 1 (already approved by parliament) can now be delivered, that's fine.It was said that the whole project would go ahead and I suspect the conditions attached to phases 2a and b are just to placate the critics in the Tory party.
If Gatwick (very cheap) goes ahead it will be very difficult for Heathrow to make the finances work to do the 3rd runway...
Hence Heathrow lobbying against Gatwick.I think you are probably correct in this assessment.
Well if Heathrow goes ahead WrATH and SaTH should both go ahead. Rail connections of course. We ain’t got hydrogen planes yet of course!Hence Heathrow lobbying against Gatwick.
Gatwick has about 30 to 35% spare terminal capacity hence it just need a runway to utilise that. The payback period on a new runway (no terminal) is 6 to 7 years with no increase airport fees. Cargo is then a cheap add on before a new terminal.
Gatwick's position is that both should go ahead.
Heathrow don't want them as pre conditions though as they migh have to pay for them!Well if Heathrow goes ahead WrATH and SaTH should both go ahead. Rail connections of course. We ain’t got hydrogen planes yet of course!
What about the funding for the new lower Thames crossing ?
How much will it cost and how will it be funded?
What is the "TRU", please?Out of the loop as I've been working. Has there been any mention today of further rail investment such as TRU as the newspapers were suggesting? Or is it all HS2/3?
What is the "TRU", please?
Thank you. It would be helpful if posters could at least once per thread explain any unofficial abbreviations as required by the forum protocol."Transpennine Route Upgrade", as far as I can tell.
Just found again Javid's reference to a new trans-Pennine railway - it's on the Guardian's website and is repeating what he said on Sky News this morning:
“Take the north of England for example – I think we need to see much better connectivity between the great cities of the north. We will have a new rail line [from Manchester to Leeds]. We are working with local leaders and businesses in that region to invest in that.”
A few projects in Scotland that are a must in the next few decade include a Dumfries to Lockerbie electrified chord, and a rail link to Peterhead and Fraserburgh. In that order.
Hence Heathrow lobbying against Gatwick.
Gatwick has about 30 to 35% spare terminal capacity hence it just need a runway to utilise that. The payback period on a new runway (no terminal) is 6 to 7 years with no increase airport fees. Cargo is then a cheap add on before a new terminal.
Gatwick's position is that both should go ahead.
The complete left field worry for Heathrow is the new runway at Dublin which theoretically needs no new terminal capacity to be fully utilised and has USA pre clearance.
There's certainly a fair amount of "what does Scotland get out of HS2?", as it doesn't have any new line within it.
Not that matters to Johnson so much as the Conservatives don't need to win seats there to have a majority.
However announcing something, even a study into a High Speed Line to link towards his bridge, would quell some of that unrest.
Gatwick cannot compete on that top tier as its unable to build a second runway due to the Government blocking it - but if it did build it would be. It's an artificial thing and Heathrow knows it - hence why they are so aggressively against Gatwick getting approval for second runway (even if it would be allowed to build its third as well).The only thing is that Heathrow is competing more against Amsterdam Schiphol and Paris Charles de Gaulle for connections as they are more of a rival then Dublin or Gatwick.