Which was the last steam preserved from scrap?

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  1. fv43576

    fv43576 Member

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    I was at Barry few months ago is Woodham Brothers where they scrap most of steam trains. I saw a body frame number 92245 makes me wonder if this was the last steam train to be preseved in UK?
    But I can't understand why the boiler of 92245 is at Peak rail but the frame at Barry, and I couldn't find any record of the very last of steam train to be chop up
    if anyone know tell me:D
     
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    I think Evening Star was lined up for preservation before it was finnished.
    That was BR's last Steam locomotive.
     
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    It is sometimes claimed that 4253 will be the last Barry wreck restored for preservation.
     
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    E&W Lucas Established Member

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    Impossible to answer this question, as the reality is that some "preserved" locos will quietly disappear for parts in the coming years.

    9F 92085 and Large Prairie tank 4156 were cut at Barry in the 1980s.
    The SVR scrapped the remains of a Jinty. S15 30841 has been scrapped for all practical purposes. Others have been dismantled for various replica projects.
    This is without considering Industrial locos, which are equally valid historically.
     
  5. EbbwJunction1

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    Well, here's a few points from this Wikipedia article which may be of interest.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_locomotives_saved_from_Woodham_Brothers_scrapyard


    a. 43924 (MR 3835) Class 4F was the first locomotive to leave in September
    1968. It's now on the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway and is operational.

    b. 5553 GWR 4575 Class was the last locomotive to leave in January 1990. It's now at Crewe Heritage Centre.

    c. 2807 GWR 2800 Class was the oldest locomotive to be saved, in June
    1981. It's now operational at the Gloucestershire Warwickshire Railway.

    d. 3612 GWR 5700 Class was saved in December 1978, but has been dismantled for spare parts.

    e. 42859 LMS Hughes Crab 6P5F Class was saved in December 1986 to a private site. However, they claim that the boiler has been scrapped, with the frames and wheels stored at separate sites.

    f. 4253 GWR 4200 Class, saved in August 1987 is under restoration on the Kent and East Sussex Railway.

    g. 4156 and 92085 are unsurprisingly not on the list. The list does show that 30841 SR Maunsell S15 Class was saved in September 1972 and moved to the North Yorkshire Moors Railway Despite being named Greene King in preservation it has since been dismantled, with the boiler and tender on fellow Maunsell S15 825, another survivor from Barry.

    and finally ....

    h. 92219 BR Standard Class 9F was saved in May 1985 and is at the Wensleydale Railway in unrestored condition. It is the penultimate steam locomotive built for British Railways, but the newest one saved from Barry.

    I hope that this helps!
     
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    It's worth mentioning that Dai Woodham scrapped very few, if any steam locomotives. During the 60s his work force mainly concentrated to wagons and coaches as they were easier to dismantle and the locos he aquired were as he put it "Set aside for a rainy day incase he work force had nothing to do". However when he found out that enthusiasts were willing to pay decent money for the wrecks in the 70s he decided against cutting then up and decided to sell them on instead. Many other scrap merchants didn't do this however and the locos were cut up as they arrived. But many were actually cut up by BR themselves.
     
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    As EbbwJunction1 says 4253 at the K&ESR is a strong contender for the last barry wreck award.
    The group are making very strong progress and its now a battle royale as to whether its 4253s first public train or First through train to Robertsbridge junction that comes first.
    Details of the groups progress and the opportunity to buy shares are at 4253.co.uk
     
  9. EbbwJunction1

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    The same page also has a column on the left hand side listing the locos in the order of their departure.

    According to that list, there were 213 locos saved, although the last twenty are listed as being for the Vale of Glamorgan Railway.
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    I must admit that I find it very difficult to join in the general attitude that Dai Woodham is / was some kind of saint.

    Yes, I accept that his decision not to scrap the locos on arrival or soon after lead to so may being preserved. However, by his own admission he did so because they had plenty of other work and he then found that there was (more?) money to be made in selling them as opposed to scrapping them. It's also worthwhile remembering that he stripped out all the valuable metals and sold that, thus making all the locos mere hulks instead of living entities that they had been.

    He does get my praise and thanks, but not to the extent that is given in some quarters.
     
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    almost certainly. The appropriate Ian Allen ABC's published during the 60's carried a list of "locomotives intended to form part of a national collection" and to clarify, other members of the same class were constructed at different works, and another batch was completed first which is why it is BR's last steam locomotive to be built, but numerically not the last
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    might be a tad off topic, but the railways scrapped their own locomotives into the days of BR, railway works would usually have a "graveyard" siding where withdrawn locomotives awaited scrapping. It was only the rapid demise of steam in the wake of the Beeching report and delivery of replacement diesel/electrics that BR became overwhelmed and turned to outside assistance
     
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    Fantastic progress on 4253 I agree and I'm delighted to see it progressing so well. I very much like these 2-8-0Ts having been involved with the rescue of 4277 from Barry and also a shareholder in 4247! However, the list of ex-Barry locomotives yet to be restored doesn't end with 4253! What about the group's other GWR inmate - 0-6-2T No 5668 which is currently stored awaiting restoration? Also, for example, on the GWSR, is BR Standard Class 4 2-6-0 No 76077, which may well re-start its restoration from a pile of parts this year.
    The dubious award for the locomotive purchased from Barry Yard the longest which has yet to be restored is Castle 4-6-0 No 7027 Thornbury Castle which was rescued from Barry back in August 1972 by the Birmingham Railway Museum, albeit initially as a source of spares. Later purchased by a Mr Waterman, it remains a forlorn sight at Crewe. Several people have made offers for it but I guess the offers aren't big enough.

    The "Barry Saga" is far from over yet!
     
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    The very last steam locos on the BR network, three Black Fives withdrawn from Lostock Hall, were sent to Drapers of Hull and cut up in 1969 so at that point there were no more locos to be preserved except for those at Barry. (Technically there was still a Jinty 0-6-0 being used at Red Bank carriage sidings in Manchester as a stationary boiler, if that counts!)

    Except that private industry and London Underground had previously bought and used quite a few small ex-BR locos, so the race was on to preserve some of these. Several GWR pannier tanks were bought from London Underground, others from the National Coal Board along with J94 saddle tanks, plus the odd LMS 0-6-0 (Jinty) and a few other oddments. So one of these could be the last ex-BR loco preserved from actually going to a scrapyard, sometime in the 1970s.
     
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