Will the class 175s for GWR be repainted/refurbished?

[Sporty60]

Split from here

Yes, presumably they will get GWR decals applied as a bare minimum.

 

[irish_rail]

Yes, presumably they will get GWR decals applied as a bare minimum.

None of them going to be re liveried apparently. Going to keep their TFW colours, but as you say, perhaps with a GWR logo or two.

 

[wickham]

Don't forget some of these units had attention at Ilford not so long ago, including unbranded repaint.

 

[tfw756rider]

Could they not be wrapped (and interiors retrimmed to match)? They could be in service for up to 7 years, and in my opinion it would be a shame if they were in the previous operator's colours for that long. It wouldn't feel like they were properly part of the fleet, which would be a bad look for Great Western Railway, and it would (yes, I know, I know) disappoint people who were looking forward to them being properly "GWR-ified".

 

[Wolfie]

Could they not be wrapped (and interiors retrimmed to match)? They could be in service for up to 7 years, and in my opinion it would be a shame if they were in the previous operator's colours for that long. It wouldn't feel like they were properly part of the fleet, which would be a bad look for Great Western Railway, and it would (yes, I know, I know) disappoint people who were looking forward to them being properly "GWR-ified".

Given that GBR may well change everything anyway that strikes me as completely unnecessary expenditure.

 

[tfw756rider]

Given that GBR may well change everything anyway that strikes me as completely unnecessary expenditure.

I forgot about Great British Railways - now it makes a lot more sense.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

None of them going to be re liveried apparently. Going to keep their TFW colours, but as you say, perhaps with a GWR logo or two.

I didn’t think they’d get GWR livery but I assumed the red doors and red cab window surrounds would be vinyled in dark green.

 

[superalbs]

I didn’t think they’d get GWR livery but I assumed the red doors and red cab window surrounds would be vinyled in dark green.

I think vinyl-ing the doors to silver might be a sensible move.

Return of 'Casper', anybody?

 

[43096]

I didn’t think they’d get GWR livery but I assumed the red doors and red cab window surrounds would be vinyled in dark green.

That is far too logical and sensible. The modern railway way would be to do a full vinyl wrap in GWR livery, or some variant of it, to keep the crayonistas/designers gainfully employed... and then rip it off to apply GBR colours once they are defined.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I think vinyl-ing the doors to silver might be a sensible move.

Return of 'Casper', anybody?

I reckon you’d have the PRM compliance brigade baring their teeth at that.

That is far too logical and sensible. The modern railway way would be to do a full vinyl wrap in GWR livery, or some variant of it, to keep the crayonistas/designers gainfully employed... and then rip it off to apply GBR colours once they are defined.

Yes, I suppose if we were to look on the bright side this way minimum funds are being wasted.

 

[GoneSouth]

That is far too logical and sensible. The modern railway way would be to do a full vinyl wrap in GWR livery, or some variant of it, to keep the crayonistas/designers gainfully employed... and then rip it off to apply GBR colours once they are defined.

A GWR livery would certainly make more sense than a full rainbow livery which seems to be a popular way of wasting money these days

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

A GWR livery would certainly make more sense than a full rainbow livery which seems to be a popular way of wasting money these days

Good point actually.

 

[Harpo]

Almost anything is better than swamping another fleet in GWR gloom green.

 

[pompeyfan]

I thought the idea was that the brands would stay but they’d be directly operated. GWR would just be an operator owned by GBR, and therefore each operator would still have its own livery, otherwise you incur literally millions in cost painting units into a GBR livery?

 

[Energy]

Even basic refurbishments can take a while, particularly the first-in-class. GWR need the stock ASAP so getting them into good mechanical condition and pressing into staff training does make some sense.

Vinyl, particularly basic bits, is often done at the depot. So it makes sense to do it down at Laira once a few units have arrived rather than hold the units up at Manchester.

I thought the idea was that the brands would stay but they’d be directly operated. GWR would just be an operator owned by GBR, and therefore each operator would still have its own livery, otherwise you incur literally millions in cost painting units into a GBR livery?

GWR is owned by the DfT but it isn’t public (and probably not decided) what branding GBR will use.

 

[GoneSouth]

Almost anything is better than swamping another fleet in GWR gloom green.

I like the GWR Green, its distinctive, although thankfully not as distinctive as the West Mids purple/orange combo

 

[Pete_uk]

Green doors and window bands with the GWR logos are really all that's needed, but that might be only a little cheaper than a whole wrap.

 

[Class 466]

A GWR livery would certainly make more sense than a full rainbow livery which seems to be a popular way of wasting money these days

Making passengers & staff feel accepted and recognised for who they are isn’t a waste of money imo

I expect they will however go all out in putting them into GWR livery. Bar those 150/2s they seem pretty keen on a consistent image.

 

[irish_rail]

Making passengers & staff feel accepted and recognised for who they are isn’t a waste of money imo

I expect they will however go all out in putting them into GWR livery. Bar those 150/2s they seem pretty keen on a consistent image.

Thats at odds with what higher management have said who have stated no GwR green. Time will tell.

 

[FGW_DID]

All the 769s were put in to GWR livery as they underwent the 319 > 769 transition.
230001 had GWR livery applied long before it came to Reading.
230003/4/5 didn’t get liveried up as there was never a plan to use them apart from staff training & familiarisation at the depot.

so I would expect the 175s will join the green club.

 

[ollyexe2808]

Making passengers & staff feel accepted and recognised for who they are isn’t a waste of money imo

^^^ 100% this!

As a regular user of GWR services in Devon, looking forward to the 175 being in service, it will give a much needed boost to local and regional services. The 150s are feeling tired and noisy. Hoping the roll out and usage is not delayed

 

[GoneSouth]

Making passengers & staff feel accepted and recognised for who they are isn’t a waste of money imo

I’d like to think they have never done otherwise. No money needed

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

What I’d like to see are Class 175 units in service with GWR at the earliest possible opportunity. Who cares what colour they are initially in when the pressing need is to alleviate chronic overcrowding? Some of the 150/2s at Exeter were still in the original BR Provincial colours when they passed from Wales & West to Wessex Trains, having gone right through Regional Railways and privatisation without seeing a paintbrush or vinyl beyond simple branding.

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^^^ 100% this!

As a regular user of GWR services in Devon, looking forward to the 175 being in service, it will give a much needed boost to local and regional services. The 150s are feeling tired and noisy. Hoping the roll out and usage is not delayed

Other than Barnstaple and Okehampton lines (eventually), the 175s are not replacing the 150 fleet.

 

[GoneSouth]

What I’d like to see are Class 175 units in service with GWR at the earliest possible opportunity. Who cares what colour they are initially in when the pressing need is to alleviate chronic overcrowding? Some of the 150/2s at Exeter were still in the original BR Provincial colours when they passed from Wales & West to Wessex Trains, having gone right through Regional Railways and privatisation without seeing a paintbrush or vinyl beyond simple branding.

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Other than Barnstaple and Okehampton lines (eventually), the 175s are not replacing the 150 fleet.

Heck that must be 25 years or more. They must be in a terrible state. Didn’t they end up First blue/pink underneath all that dirt?

 

[Caaardiff]

They can't enter service until training is complete so there will likely be quite a few sat around awaiting that. The question is, is it worth the cost for a full paint/wrap?
They only had an internal refresh a few years back. There's probably some TFW Red that can be painted green inside and the external red can be changed to green. I really don't think passengers will be that bothered if the train that rocks up has a bit of green or is in full green.

 

[Snow1964]

They can't enter service until training is complete so there will likely be quite a few sat around awaiting that. The question is, is it worth the cost for a full paint/wrap?
They only had an internal refresh a few years back. There's probably some TFW Red that can be painted green inside and the external red can be changed to green. I really don't think passengers will be that bothered if the train that rocks up has a bit of green or is in full green.

It rather depends on what leaflets, TV ads and station posters GWR intend to use next summer. No point illustrating them with a train in green, if the fleet will look different.

Would be akin to say Manchester City putting part of the team out in white tops with bit of blue. Not really the image or the quality standard trying to display. Can't pretend the important part is what is underneath, and how it works and performs if the outside looks wrong

 

[GoneSouth]

It rather depends on what leaflets, TV ads and station posters GWR intend to use next summer. No point illustrating them with a train in green, if the fleet will look different.

Would be akin to say Manchester City putting part of the team out in white tops with bit of blue. Not really the image or the quality standard trying to display. Can't pretend the important part is what is underneath, and how it works and performs if the outside looks wrong

Not really. The reality is that people heading to the southwest for a holiday would have had 2 or even more trains on the way in different colours, I honestly don’t think they will be saying let’s go to Devon, the trains are a lovely shade of green

 

[Caaardiff]

It rather depends on what leaflets, TV ads and station posters GWR intend to use next summer. No point illustrating them with a train in green, if the fleet will look different.

Would be akin to say Manchester City putting part of the team out in white tops with bit of blue. Not really the image or the quality standard trying to display. Can't pretend the important part is what is underneath, and how it works and performs if the outside looks wrong

Interesting take. I've never heard anyone say, "I don't care what time we go or price we pay, as long as we get that green train".

GWR's main marketing point is the IET's. I don't think I've ever seen a recent ad that shows a 150, 165 or 158.

 

[michael74]

Your average passenger doesn't note nor care about what type or colour the train is, as long as it's on time.

 

[-Colly405-]

Indeed. Even as an enthusiast myself, when I'm travelling in business-mode, I 'just' want an on-time, clean train, with empty seats.

Of course, on a weekend jolly that's a different matter altogether.