WMR Class 196 Build and Implementation

[GWVillager]

This is starting to look like a shambles, especially with the 170 situation. Are they any closer to fixes?

 

[Ribbleman]

Are the problems largely the same as those faced by Northern when the 195s were new?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Are the problems largely the same as those faced by Northern when the 195s were new?

It seems bizarre that they'd hit the same again, when all these are is 195s with gangways and the windows in a different place (plus some cosmetic changes). Mind you, 197s are 195s with a gangway and different coloured paint, and the Conwy Valley unit disgraced itself last week...

 

[45076]

I'm thinking of doing a West Mid tomorrow,09/12/22 are any 196's actually out and if so what are they diagrammed?

 

[Liam L]

I'm thinking of doing a West Mid tomorrow,09/12/22 are any 196's actually out and if so what are they diagrammed?

There one out in service today, I would check Part time spotter website https://partimespotter.wordpress.com/2022/12/08/class-196-allocations-08-12-2022/ for the diagrams tomorrow.

 

[Undiscovered]

See earlier advice re a nice warm place to sit and wait.

 

[45076]

There one out in service today, I would check Part time spotter website https://partimespotter.wordpress.com/2022/12/08/class-196-allocations-08-12-2022/ for the diagrams tomorrow.

thanks

 

[Matt1981]

196002 has been seen out a few times this week around Worcester, and has made trips to New Street and Snow Hill.

106 has also been a regular around Worcester recently

 

[01d-and]

196002 has been seen out a few times this week around Worcester, and has made trips to New Street and Snow Hill.

106 has also been a regular around Worcester recently

Are the new sidings adjacent to Shrub Hill being used to stable 196 units yet ??

 

[GWVillager]

Are the new sidings adjacent to Shrub Hill being used to stable 196 units yet ??

I have seen one being stored there previously, not sure if they are currently in use.

 

[01d-and]

I have seen one being stored there previously, not sure if they are currently in use.

Thank you. No need for me to head that way yet

 

[Liam L]

196002 has been seen out a few times this week around Worcester, and has made trips to New Street and Snow Hill.

106 has also been a regular around Worcester recently

I would presume crew training is underway at Worcester for them?

 

[newtownmgr]

Yes the new sidings are in use & training has started at Worcester, initially shed drivers,instructor drivers & driver managers. Full training of drivers & Conductors will likely start in January as next weeks RMT strike has impacted plans obviously.

 

[01d-and]

Yes the new sidings are in use & training has started at Worcester, initially shed drivers,instructor drivers & driver managers. Full training of drivers & Conductors will likely start in January as next weeks RMT strike has impacted plans obviously.

Thank you for the update.

 

[185143]

Any diagrams today?

 

[AJDesiro]

Any diagrams today?

196 102 is out on:

• 11:56 BHM-SHR, 2J08
• 13:40 SHR-BHM, 2G12
• 14:56 BHM-SHR, 2J14
• 16:40 SHR-BHM, 2G18
• 17:56 BHM-SHR, 2J20
• 19:40 SHR-BHM, 2G24
• 20:56 BHM-SHR, 2J26

196 110 is out on:

• 11:40 SHR-BHM, 2G08
• 12:56 BHM-SHR, 2J10
• 14:40 SHR-BHM, 2G14
• 15:56 BHM-SHR, 2J16
• 17:40 SHR-BHM, 2G20
• 18:56 BHM-SHR, 2J22
• 20:40 SHR-BHM, 2G26
• 21:56 BHM-SHR, 2J28

I have no clue as to what the other diagram is running.

 

[185143]

196 102 is out on:

• 11:56 BHM-SHR, 2J08
• 13:40 SHR-BHM, 2G12
• 14:56 BHM-SHR, 2J14
• 16:40 SHR-BHM, 2G18
• 17:56 BHM-SHR, 2J20
• 19:40 SHR-BHM, 2G24
• 20:56 BHM-SHR, 2J26

196 110 is out on:

• 11:40 SHR-BHM, 2G08
• 12:56 BHM-SHR, 2J10
• 14:40 SHR-BHM, 2G14
• 15:56 BHM-SHR, 2J16
• 17:40 SHR-BHM, 2G20
• 18:56 BHM-SHR, 2J22
• 20:40 SHR-BHM, 2G26
• 21:56 BHM-SHR, 2J28

I have no clue as to what the other diagram is running.

170510+170516.

Just got off it.

 

[william.martin]

196 102 is out on:

• 11:56 BHM-SHR, 2J08
• 13:40 SHR-BHM, 2G12
• 14:56 BHM-SHR, 2J14
• 16:40 SHR-BHM, 2G18
• 17:56 BHM-SHR, 2J20
• 19:40 SHR-BHM, 2G24
• 20:56 BHM-SHR, 2J26

196 110 is out on:

• 11:40 SHR-BHM, 2G08
• 12:56 BHM-SHR, 2J10
• 14:40 SHR-BHM, 2G14
• 15:56 BHM-SHR, 2J16
• 17:40 SHR-BHM, 2G20
• 18:56 BHM-SHR, 2J22
• 20:40 SHR-BHM, 2G26
• 21:56 BHM-SHR, 2J28

I have no clue as to what the other diagram is running.

I wouldn't be surprised if we have 2 196 diagrams each day for next week as WMR are running out of 170's now (I believe they only have 4 but mark me if I'm wrong)

 

[D365]

It seems bizarre that they'd hit the same again, when all these are is 195s with gangways and the windows in a different place (plus some cosmetic changes).

Not quite - the electrical arrangement is certainly different.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

I wouldn't be surprised if we have 2 196 diagrams each day for next week as WMR are running out of 170's now (I believe they only have 4 but mark me if I'm wrong)

No they've got at least 10 if not more, 6 are staying at Worcester until 196s are introduced on the Hereford line so we can't be down to 4 already

 

[Jamesrob637]

Had one tonight on the 18:56 Birmingham to Shrewsbury as far as Wolverhampton and was quite impressed. A slight improvement on the Northern stock, but then they are slightly newer.

 

[william.martin]

No they've got at least 10 if not more, 6 are staying at Worcester until 196s are introduced on the Hereford line so we can't be down to 4 already

Forgot about the ones at Worcester, maybe WMR had more than I though I am surprised that some services had been worked by a single 170 if they have some at Worcester.
The reported issues including cuts from sticking out bins and sharp accessibility ramps clearly can't be too bad as they are fit for service.
May I just confirm that the entire WMR fleet of 170's are making the transfer to EMR or are they holding on to a few for at least the time being?

 

[Liam L]

May I just confirm that the entire WMR fleet of 170's are making the transfer to EMR or are they holding on to a few for at least the time being?

In time, the full fleet will transfer to EMR. Whilst training on the 196s and introduction takes place at Worcester, they holding onto 6.

 

[william.martin]

In time, the full fleet will transfer to EMR. Whilst training on the 196s and introduction takes place at Worcester, they holding onto 6.

Cheers

 

[NewClee153]

Had one tonight on the 18:56 Birmingham to Shrewsbury as far as Wolverhampton and was quite impressed. A slight improvement on the Northern stock, but then they are slightly newer.

Slight improvement is very modest in my opinion. I think the class 196 far eclipses the 195. I’m surprised they were made by the same company

Forgot about the ones at Worcester, maybe WMR had more than I though I am surprised that some services had been worked by a single 170 if they have some at Worcester.
The reported issues including cuts from sticking out bins and sharp accessibility ramps clearly can't be too bad as they are fit for service.
May I just confirm that the entire WMR fleet of 170's are making the transfer to EMR or are they holding on to a few for at least the time being?

How many class 170s are used on the Herefords a day?

 

[Matt1981]

Slight improvement is very modest in my opinion. I think the class 196 far eclipses the 195. I’m surprised they were made by the same company


How many class 170s are used on the Herefords a day?

Hard to say now as it is a mixture of 172 and 170 operating the service. I may be wrong, but there seems no pattern to how they are diagrammed. I don't travel every day now, but on the days I do I tend to catch the same services, and what might be 2 x 172 one day could be 172 + 170 the next time I catch it (or just a single 172/0).

I note that there are several paths showing on Realtime trains each weekday that are presumably 196 driver training runs between Worcester and Birmingham, but listed as "runs as required" so hard to predict when they will actually be out running

 

[Sprinter107]

Hard to say now as it is a mixture of 172 and 170 operating the service. I may be wrong, but there seems no pattern to how they are diagrammed. I don't travel every day now, but on the days I do I tend to catch the same services, and what might be 2 x 172 one day could be 172 + 170 the next time I catch it (or just a single 172/0).

I note that there are several paths showing on Realtime trains each weekday that are presumably 196 driver training runs between Worcester and Birmingham, but listed as "runs as required" so hard to predict when they will actually be out running

There is a pattern. There are a pair of 170s that work up and down between Birmingham New Street and Hereford all day. They start on the 05.56 Worcester Shrub Hill to Hereford, and finish with the 22.59 Hereford to Worcester Shrub Hill. Theres then a 170 + 172 combo that works off Worcester Shrub Hill at 06.25 to Birmingham New Street, back to Great Malvern, back to Birmingham New Street then onto Tyseley. They then come back off Tyseley to form the 17.50 to Worcester Shrub Hill, 18 50 to Birmingham New Street and 20.00 to Worcester Shrub Hill. In the event of a unit shortage, then the 170s may be substituted with 172s.

 

[william.martin]

Hi there, would anybody know what allocations shall be running Thursday?

the Conwy Valley unit disgraced itself last week...

Sorry if I'm a bit late to the party although what was this about?

 

[Liam L]

Hi there, would anybody know what allocations shall be running Thursday?

I would check back closer to the time as the service is only running between 07:00 and 19:00 on the Shrewsbury Line on Thursday.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Hi there, would anybody know what allocations shall be running Thursday?


Sorry if I'm a bit late to the party although what was this about?

197011 taking about 4 hours for a roughly 2 hour round trip, utter debacle. Not sure what was wrong.