WMR Class 196 Build and Implementation

[GalaxyDog]

It's not the first either. Inspector Clouseau had issues while they were in storage before they'd even entered service

 

[Liam L]

Expect to see that regularly. Those 196s will be operating in some very scummy areas.

More like they are stabled in scummy areas.

 

[Covshire1]

NUCKLE line has descended in chaos for the last two days. Both cl196 diagrams cancelled for most of the afternoon and evening. Does anyone know what's going on? Unit issues or just lack of trained drivers / guards??

 

[HST274]

More like they are stabled in scummy areas.

I wouldn't say Worcester is particularly scummy, although the industrial area around shrub hill is admittedly not very pleasant. I was just disappointed that someone went to the effort to hop a fence and cross multiple tracks just to do a black scrawl- no colour or anything

 

[Liam L]

I wouldn't say Worcester is particularly scummy

Was more hinting about Tyseley

 

[GalaxyDog]

NUCKLE line has descended in chaos for the last two days. Both cl196 diagrams cancelled for most of the afternoon and evening. Does anyone know what's going on? Unit issues or just lack of trained drivers / guards??

Unit issues. As usual. They've been better behaved on the Shrewsbury line recently, but now we await to see how they react to the extreme heat - correspondent at Shrewsbury in tears and laughing when last winter, the units refused to start up in the cold snaps "because the computers didn't like it".

 

[M60lad]

Not to sure what its doing down there but there's another one that's been partly graffitied that's been stabled in sidings at Camden for the past week as can be seen on Camden Junction Railcam.

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Not to sure what its doing down there but there's another one that's been partly graffitied that's been stabled in sidings at Camden for the past week as can be seen on Camden Junction Railcam.

Is it definitely a 196 and not a 730? Be strange to have a 196 down there

 

[AJDesiro]

Not to sure what its doing down there but there's another one that's been partly graffitied that's been stabled in sidings at Camden for the past week as can be seen on Camden Junction Railcam.

Are you sure that’s not a 730?

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Are you sure that’s not a 730?

I'll see if I can spot it this morning, doubt it's a 196 tbh.

Edit: I can confirm that there are no 196s at Camden.
730 008/009/012 are there

 

[1D54]

004 & 010 on the Nuneaton - Leamington services today.

12:18 Dep from Nuneaton (2G77) has been cancelled. Wonder if 004 has failed.

 

[Techniquest]

Ouch to the possible failure!

196005+196001 were on the 1040 Hereford-Birmingham today

 

[pokemonsuper9]

12:18 Dep from Nuneaton (2G77) has been cancelled. Wonder if 004 has failed.

Ouch to the possible failure!

RTT is saying train crew

Realtime Trains | 2G74 1037 Nuneaton to Coventry | 10/06/2023

Real-time train running information for 2G74 1037 departure from Nuneaton to Coventry on 10/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 2G77 1140 Leamington Spa to Nuneaton | 10/06/2023

Real-time train running information for 2G77 1140 departure from Leamington Spa to Nuneaton on 10/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 2G78 1300 Coventry to Leamington Spa | 10/06/2023

Real-time train running information for 2G78 1300 departure from Coventry to Leamington Spa on 10/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Techniquest]

Thanks for the clear-up there, I was posting with a hot cup of coffee in Hereford city centre and was more focused on that!

 

[boxerdog]

004 & 010 on the Nuneaton - Leamington services today.

12:18 Dep from Nuneaton (2G77) has been cancelled. Wonder if 004 has failed.

Nope. No class 196 trained driver available.

 

[Liam L]

Thought Saturdays were meant to be 172s only?

 

[william.martin]

Thought Saturdays were meant to be 172s only?

Good point...

 

[boxerdog]

Thought Saturdays were meant to be 172s only?

Nope, Sunday is mixed traction, I think....

 

[AJDesiro]

Nope, Sunday is mixed traction, I think....

I don't really think anyone knows what's going on, I've heard very mixed messages as to what will be happening at weekends, with some reports saying Sunday afternoons will include a 172 diagram, with others saying Saturday's will be full 172s.

 

[Amnesiac]

Saturdays are fully 196 and Sunday is mixed traction at present.

 

[Philip]

I travelled on one today for the first time, no complaints about the interior but, it seemed very sluggish accelerating up the Lickey incline; is this normal and if so why for such a new train? How do they compare on this stretch with the other diesel trains which run along here?

 

[Liam L]

I travelled on one today for the first time, no complaints about the interior but, it seemed very sluggish accelerating up the Lickey incline; is this normal and if so why for such a new train? How do they compare on this stretch with the other diesel trains which run along here?

Most diesel units are sluggish going up the incline TBF. Would be interesting to know what the highest speed a 196 has reached at the top of the hill.

 

[LowLevel]

I travelled on one today for the first time, no complaints about the interior but, it seemed very sluggish accelerating up the Lickey incline; is this normal and if so why for such a new train? How do they compare on this stretch with the other diesel trains which run along here?

The Lickey is a hell of a bank and anything will be sluggish from a standing start. Nothing at all is built to start from 0 and accelerate to linespeed up 2 miles of 1 in 36.

 

[Class172]

Most diesel units are sluggish going up the incline TBF. Would be interesting to know what the highest speed a 196 has reached at the top of the hill.

If I had to take an educated guess I would think the performance would be similar to the 172s due to the similarities in drivetrain; certainly faster than the 170s but not as fast as a 323.

 

[DavidGrain]

i was on a Chiltern train this morning through Leamington when I say a 172 pull out from platform 4. Presumably 2G77 to Nuneaton although the timings in RTT do not quite tie up. As we left Leamington I saw the nose of a 196 behind the platform buildings which would have been behind the 172 on platform 4. It then looks as if that then ran as 5H50 to Tyseley.

 

[bnsf734]

196004 and 196010 are still on the Nuneaton - Leamington Spa run today. That is their third week on the service, so I don't think anything different worked Sunday. I certainly saw the 1237 departure from Nuneaton as a 196 yesterday but did not see the other service.

Thanks to Part time Spotter for the gen today as always.

 

[newtownmgr]

If I had to take an educated guess I would think the performance would be similar to the 172s due to the similarities in drivetrain; certainly faster than the 170s but not as fast as a 323.

The 196’s at present are still in eco mode. Performance up the bank is between a 170 & 172.

 

[GWVillager]

The 196’s at present are still in eco mode. Performance up the bank is between a 170 & 172.

Will eco mode ever be turned off? If it is, will they outperform 172s up the bank?

 

[newtownmgr]

Will eco mode ever be turned off? If it is, will they outperform 172s up the bank?

Supposedly. Not sure if I’m honest. If they do i don’t think they will be much quicker. The above is with 2 x 2 car. A proper 4 car might perform slightly better.

 

[boxerdog]

Supposedly. Not sure if I’m honest. If they do i don’t think they will be much quicker. The above is with 2 x 2 car. A proper 4 car might perform slightly better.

The default mode as listed in the traction manual is not 'eco', but they're currently running in this mode, which I think makes them slower than a class 172. This may be to do with something to do with the transmission, conversely it may not be the case....