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A MAN has been prosecuted after he delayed 37 trains by lying down on railway tracks to commit suicide.

Mark Pearson caused 655 minutes – almost 11 hours – in total delays to rush-hour services.

The 35-year-old pleaded guilty to one charge of obstructing an engine on the railway after being arrested and charged by British Transport Police.

Nottingham Magistrates' Court heard that a driver had alerted police after spotting Pearson on the track near Lenton at around 6pm on September 11.

Joey Kwong, prosecuting, said: "They found a man lying down in front of the train at that point. He had been walking around, but then lay down on the tracks.
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"He said he had planned to kill himself and had been released from the Queen's Medical Centre earlier that day.

"He told officers he had wanted to commit suicide but the trains had stopped.

"A total of 655 minutes of delays to 37 trains were caused by his actions."

http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/c...uicide-bid/article-384099-detail/article.html
 
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"He said he had planned to kill himself and had been released from the Queen's Medical Centre earlier that day.

That's becoming quite common. Taken off the line, Sectioned for 24hrs and released, back on the track and under the wheels of a train just hours later :(
 

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at least no driver has to have endless nightmares about killing him and knowing they couldnt do a thing
That's truly the best thing about this situation, as it's a sad fact that drivers never recover from the trauma of such things happening. :sad::cry:

I've already written an extensive post about my views on those who attempt suicide on the railway in another post (Do a search) so I won't babble on about it, except to ask the question: When someone chooses to commit suicide, what the hell encourages them to do it on the railway? After all...That's what isolated multi-story car parks are for! :roll::mad:<(

Personally...If I was to choose the same path for myself, I would make use of one of my very fine Swords that I happen to have here. Now I know that a Sword hasn't been a common household object for the last 300 years...But most people have cleavers and large bread-knifes, don't they? :)

That's becoming quite common. Taken off the line, Sectioned for 24hrs and released, back on the track and under the wheels of a train just hours later :(
I have a simple solution to this problem, but it will require a few things...
  1. An IC-225 due to run Kings X - Edinburgh at some point tomorrow afternoon or evening handed over to my control (The scheduled driver can have a paid break in First. :)),
  2. All of this weeks suicidees corraled onto the Northbound platform at Grantham,
  3. Full overspeed permissions for my train between Stevenage and York.
As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing more satisfying than seeing a suicidee go underneath a train travelling at over 150mph...But ONLY if I - Or a similarly minded Gore-loving person - Is driving the service, and is the only one to witness the incident! <D
(Sorry...But given what they put drivers through, I have neither respect nor dignity for those who make the decision - With concious and functioning mind - To commit suicide on the railway. <()

Farewell... <D
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The thing is most people who jump in front of trains is certainly not of concious and function mind. Those who are usually choose a more dignified approach, such as drug overdose, which is more peaceful for themselves. Jumpers are acting on an instinct, whereas ODs are more likely to occur after thought and time to decide that this is what they want.

Of course, he is/was clearly a danger to himself and to others, and can therefore be detained under the Mental Health Act (or so I would have thought...)
 

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Sorry to ruin your fantasy, Death, but there are more people involved in a fatality than just the Driver and the Deceased.
MOM/LOM {RIO}
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Civil Police
Paramedics and Doctor
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Well,

I've nearly done the above and nearly landed myself on 3rd rail, it wasn't easy for me, instead i took over 20 sleeping pills, which done nothing but make me hallucinate for over 8 hours until I recovered at Frenchay Hospital
 

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It's only those of dysfunctional minds who think about it...I know I did once about 7 or 8 years ago...Obviously after much walking around town moaning out loud to myself, I didn't and ended up spending the day walking around Birmingham. As you do...
 

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IAs far as I'm concerned, there's nothing more satisfying than seeing a suicidee go underneath a train travelling at over 150mph...But ONLY if I - Or a similarly minded Gore-loving person - Is driving the service, and is the only one to witness the incident! <D
(Sorry...But given what they put drivers through, I have neither respect nor dignity for those who make the decision - With concious and functioning mind - To commit suicide on the railway. <()

Farewell... <D
>> Death <<

WTF are you chatting about!?!? <(

That is just......sick. There are Rail Staff on this forum who have had to deal with this sort of situation before (myself included) who have to deal with the clean up of these incidents and returning to service of the trains / track.
Ive had a couple of these happen when I worked for my old TOC, and examing the underneath of a train where it has hit a 16 year old and there was the residue of the person underneath, not pleasent one b***dy bit! <( The smell, the colour, the residue, the cold chill down my spine and of course the damage it'd done!

So in future, before posting about your sick satisfying desires, think before you speak, for the people who have been there and done that, and don't want to be in that situation again, despite the fact that it more than likely is.
 

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I have seen this sort of thing too - one happend in the platform one day, luckily spotted though. We also had a local woman who used to be a regular, she'd standnear to the edge of the platform then walk towards the edge as a train approached, scared a few of my mates more than once. Also know one it did happen too and he never drove again. This sort of thing should never happen to anyone, it ruins lives - innocent people just going about their every day work and for one split second of shear stupidity and thoughtlessness, their world is turned upside down never to be the same again. One second lasts for years. Please, if anyone even thinks about something like this - please please think again.
 

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Hail All! <D
I'm still a bit groggy this morning from having too little sleep, but I'm going to answer these points as best I can as some of them certainly warrant a rapid response. :)
The thing is most people who jump in front of trains is certainly not of concious and function mind. Those who are usually choose a more dignified approach, such as drug overdose, which is more peaceful for themselves. Jumpers are acting on an instinct, whereas ODs are more likely to occur after thought and time to decide that this is what they want.
Hmm...Good point. I suppose that anyone planning to commit suicide would probabally try to find a way to do it so they would cause the least strain and inconvenience for other people, so - Like ye say - Drug overdose, asphyxiation and similar methods.
Although if someone suddenly got the notion to commit suicide right off the bat, wouldn't they - In the case of railway suicides - Still have to conciously find their way to the nearest station or section of line? Surely anyone who considers instant suicide doesn't just happen to be right next to a railway line at that precise moment, do they? :?

It's just a real pity that - Thanks to the different and varied types of rolling stock on our lines - That platform edge doors (PEDs) can't really be installed at all stations. Although thinking about that from a different angle, wouldn't PEDs installed about two metres from the edge of the platform be a workable solution? The doors on the platform would'nt match up with the doors on the train, but that space between the two would allow passengers sufficient room to access the train easily... :)

Well,
I've nearly done the above and nearly landed myself on 3rd rail, it wasn't easy for me, instead i took over 20 sleeping pills, which done nothing but make me hallucinate for over 8 hours until I recovered at Frenchay Hospital
I must admit that back in my younger days, there were one or two occasions when I was tempted to throw myself on the line at Guildford. In retrospect - Despite the fact that my life is (Currently) very stagnant and unproductive - I'm thanking the Gods that I didn't actually attempt it...And that's not for my own sake! :)

Sorry to ruin your fantasy, Death, but there are more people involved in a fatality than just the Driver and the Deceased.
MOM/LOM {RIO}
BTP
Civil Police
Paramedics and Doctor
Undertaker
DSM/GSM
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Signalman
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Aye, true...Although I will make it clear that what I posted above is definitely not any kind of fantasy or dream that I possess.

The main reason why my thoughts tend to concentrate mainly on the driver themselves is because they are always the first to know of such a happening, and I would imagine that it would hit them the worst simply because it was their train - That was under their control - That hit and killed (Or seriously injured) the person in question. :sad:

With the other people involved, they at least have some fore-warning that it's a railway suicide that they are dealing with, and that would at least give them the time to mentally steel themselves for what they are about to encounter. In the poor drivers case, there's absolutely no fore-warning whatsoever as to that kind of thing befalling them. :cry:

WTF are you chatting about!?!? <(
That is just......sick. There are Rail Staff on this forum who have had to deal with this sort of situation before (myself included) who have to deal with the clean up of these incidents and returning to service of the trains / track.
Ive had a couple of these happen when I worked for my old TOC, and examing the underneath of a train where it has hit a 16 year old and there was the residue of the person underneath, not pleasent one b***dy bit! <( The smell, the colour, the residue, the cold chill down my spine and of course the damage it'd done!
Aye, that's a very poinient fact about such happenings, and - Though I've never had to clean up human remains from a suicide - There have been a couple of occasions where I've had to clean up animal remains from my car following Fox and Rabbit strikes on dark country roads. The two things that hit me the most about those situations were:
  1. The fact that the animal in question wasn't trying to commit suicide or anything of the kind...The poor things were just minding their own business, and weren't aware of what a motor vehicle is, and why one can be dangerous, and
  2. As a Pagan, I have a deep-rooted love of most forms of life (Sentient and otherwise) and having to endure the fact that I had taken life by accident in that way is often quite harrowing. In truth, I have a tendancy to become upset if I so much as step on a Spider!
The clean-up job from those wasn't easy either, especially as I wasn't expecting so much matter to end up just about everywhere inside the engine bay! :shock::(

So in future, before posting about your sick satisfying desires, think before you speak, for the people who have been there and done that, and don't want to be in that situation again, despite the fact that it more than likely is.
Like I said in response to TheSlash's post above, this is not any kind of fantasy or desire for me whatsoever, and - Having seen some fairly horrific industrial accidents in my time - I can and do acknowlege just how harrowing such things can be. :shock::(:cry:

What I was trying to state in my previous post was that if someone had to commit suicide on the railway, then I would sooner they did it by throwing themselves underneath a train that I was driving as opposed to going under anyone elses vehicle. Although the horror of cleaning up cannot be denied under any circumstances (Although following such an incident, I would be happy to assist in the clean-up) at least it would remove one unfortunate consequence; That being the memory of that incident playing on the drivers mind for the rest of his life.

I can be selectively de-sensitised to such happenings if necessary, and if someone was to throw themselves underneath a train that I was driving then - Though I would acknowlege the happening and it's implications in the same way as any other driver - I would be able to reassure myself that the suicide was their fault and not mine...And though I would obviously do all that I could to bring the train to a halt beforehand if at all possible, it is rather difficult to bring over 100t of train to a sharp stop in time... :(

I have seen this sort of thing too - one happend in the platform one day, luckily spotted though. We also had a local woman who used to be a regular, she'd standnear to the edge of the platform then walk towards the edge as a train approached, scared a few of my mates more than once.
Well, I pray to the Gods that she's been banned from entering railway property and that a close watch is kept on her! Even if she's not actually intending to do the deed, a badly timed strong gust of wind could turn the whole situation around very quickly! :(

I tend to move closer to the platform edge when I am intending to catch a train that's pulling into the platform...But for the benefit of the driver, I don't start to move up until the cab is already well past my position. I also still keep a few feet away until the train has come to a complete halt. :)

Also know one it did happen too and he never drove again. This sort of thing should never happen to anyone, it ruins lives - innocent people just going about their every day work and for one split second of shear stupidity and thoughtlessness, their world is turned upside down never to be the same again. One second lasts for years. Please, if anyone even thinks about something like this - please please think again.
I've already made the firm decision that - Should I ever need to do such a thing to myself - Then it shall be done in private, through careful application of my own Sword, and I'd be inclined to ensure that anyone encountering the situation woulkd be appropriately warned beforehand, such as by a clear and explicit warning notice placed upon the closed door of the room where it had happened. :)

The final question/suggestion that I would like to pose though, is: Is there any way that railway suicides could be prevented...Period? 8)

Farewell... :)
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The final question/suggestion that I would like to pose though, is: Is there any way that railway suicides could be prevented...Period? 8)

Hmm, unfortunatly the way things are these days, anything involving our somewhat strange human behaviour at times the answer to that would seem to be no - unless gigantic walls were built around all railway lines and all platforms had automatic doors. Even then I'm sure they'd still find a way to do it. Tis way of the world i'm afraid.
 

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WTF are you chatting about!?!? <(

That is just......sick. There are Rail Staff on this forum who have had to deal with this sort of situation before (myself included) who have to deal with the clean up of these incidents and returning to service of the trains / track.
Ive had a couple of these happen when I worked for my old TOC, and examing the underneath of a train where it has hit a 16 year old and there was the residue of the person underneath, not pleasent one b***dy bit! <( The smell, the colour, the residue, the cold chill down my spine and of course the damage it'd done!

So in future, before posting about your sick satisfying desires, think before you speak, for the people who have been there and done that, and don't want to be in that situation again, despite the fact that it more than likely is.
The more i read crap like that from Death, the more i realise this site is not for people that really work on the railway, i have promoted this site on the railway, i will not anymore........Shame really
 

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The more i read crap like that from Death, the more i realise this site is not for people that really work on the railway, i have promoted this site on the railway, i will not anymore........Shame really
Erm...I replied to Bush's message earlier this morning outlining my in-depth response on it, and clarifying that he (And ye as well, but the looks of things) have misinterpereted the sentiment in my original post. :roll:
Please read my detailed response a few posts up. ^^^
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...The more i realise this site is not for people that really work on the railway...
With all due respect, this site is - As far as I'm aware - Intended for use by anyone who has an interest or concern that involves the railway, and not just specifically for railway employees and/or railway "Veg". Although there are plenty of people from both of those groups here, there are also plenty of people on this board who are neither, and probabally a few users who simply use this site as a Q&A resource for journey planning, ticketing and engineering work related information.

I'm no Mod of course (Well, not on this board at least) but personally I consider this board to be a place where everyone has a right to an equal point of view, and with no bias in point-of-view towards railway personnel and/or "Veggers" etc. If this is not actually the case, then I'd aprreciate it if a mod would inform me to that effect.

Farewell... <(
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I am a driver who has been involved in a fatality and I find 'Deaths' posts offensive to the subject for all concerned. My incident has left a massive mark on me and although I have returned to full driving duties and driven past the scene many times. I find it incredulous that you havent been told watch what you type - if you had any idea what actually happens in this kinds of incident then you wouldnt post such remarks!

Think before you type!!
 

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watch what you type,death
btw
ive been involved in a fatality many-a-time
and it is something you do not want to witness
its horrible and can make you want commite suciside yourself
 

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Can I just say, before the side-swiping continues, I would have hoped that most people who are 'regulars' here would have been able to take Death's post(s) with a pinch of salt. I am pretty sure that the views expressed by Death, and the views that he has defended himself for in his posts are not views that he is likely to want to or ever have the chance carried out, as maybe indicated by the vast number of smileys ;) found throughout his posts.

Whilst appreciating that those with experience of such unfortunate circumstances would find it distasteful, I hardly feel there is such need to get so defensive over writings that are quite clearly 'eccentric'. And indeed most people I would have hoped would find Death's posts certainly true to the genre that he has posted in from day dot (to my knowledge)

I am sure we have all experienced situations that have left a clear mark on us. Please view happenings such as this objectively.

Ta.
 
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