SWR Metro fleet permanent withdrawals

[swr444]

So presumably 4 x 8-450 and 1 x 10-707?

Sounds about right from what I can see

there will also be a 458 on the Kingston rounder and looks like most readings will be 458s. with the hounslow rounder peak time services out of use I'm assuming they're using the stock from those to cover the windsor and readings

 

[HamworthyGoods]

On a Sunday, I'm sure they have surplus 455s, so didn't need to use 456s.

But if the 456s still have miles left why not use those up…. Preserves some low mileage 455s a bit longer

 

[boiledbeans2]

But if the 456s still have miles left why not use those up…. Preserves some low mileage 455s a bit longer

Yes, that's what I meant. In my original post, I meant that 456s were still running despite the engineering work and a surplus of 455s. I'm sure they could have run a 455-only fleet that day but they didn't.

So there may still be 456s running this weekend too despite the engineering works. (note: I have no insider knowledge and am just speculating)

 

[swr444]

Worth adding that no Windsors are 707 at the moment.

It appears to have been 2 8-450, 2 8-455 and 1 10-458 for a long time, and the twelve 707s (five pairs out per day) have done four all day Shepperton diagrams, and one morning peak Shepperton diagram that then turns into a Weybridge diagram

yes but from next week 1 707 will be on the windsors again as sheppertons will be an hourly service

 

[Jim]

As of time of posting
5871 / 456009+456011
2M03 0609 Wimbledon to Chessington
2M10 0638 Chessington to Waterloo
1D09 0724 Waterloo to Dorking
1D18 0831 Dorking to Waterloo
2J19 0936 Waterloo to Hampton Court
2J26 1024 Hampton Court to Waterloo
1D25 1124 Waterloo to Dorking
1D34 1232 Dorking to Waterloo
2J35 1336 Waterloo to Hampton Court
2J42 1424 Hampton Court to Waterloo
1D41 1524 Waterloo to Dorking
1D50 1632 Dorking to Waterloo
2J51 1736 Waterloo to Hampton Court
2J58 1824 Hampton Court to Waterloo
1D57 1924 Waterloo to Dorking
1D66 2032 Dorking to Waterloo
2J67 2136 Waterloo to Hampton Court
2J74 2224 Hampton Court to Waterloo
1D73 2324 Waterloo to Dorking
ECS to Wimbledon


5725 / 456013 + 456021
ECS Clapham Yard to Waterloo
2J05 0606 Waterloo to Hampton Court
2J12 0653 Hampton Court to Waterloo
2D11 0754 Waterloo to Guildford
2D24 0945 Guildford to Waterloo
2J25 1106 Waterloo to Hampton Court
2J32 1154 Hampton Court to Waterloo
2D31 1254 Waterloo to Guildford
2D44 1445 Guildford to Waterloo
2J45 1606 Waterloo to Hampton Court
2J52 1654 Hampton Court to Waterloo
2D51 1754 Waterloo to Guildford
2D64 1945 Guildford to Waterloo
2J65 2106 Waterloo to Hampton Court
2J72 2154 Hampton Court to Waterloo
2D75 2254 Waterloo to Guildford
Stables Guildford

Looks like the rest of the Metro service is pretty much fully allocated

 

[HamworthyGoods]

5725 / 456013 + 456021
ECS Clapham Yard to Waterloo
2J05 0606 Waterloo to Hampton Court
2J12 0653 Hampton Court to Waterloo
2D11 0754 Waterloo to Guildford
2D24 0945 Guildford to Waterloo
2J25 1106 Waterloo to Hampton Court
2J32 1154 Hampton Court to Waterloo
2D31 1254 Waterloo to Guildford
2D44 1445 Guildford to Waterloo
2J45 1606 Waterloo to Hampton Court
2J52 1654 Hampton Court to Waterloo
2D51 1754 Waterloo to Guildford
2D64 1945 Guildford to Waterloo
2J65 2106 Waterloo to Hampton Court
2J72 2154 Hampton Court to Waterloo
2D75 2254 Waterloo to Guildford
Stables Guildford

Well that means there will be at least 2 x 456 out on the Saturday starting from Guildford !

 

[Bessie]

In regards to running out of miles what is the impact of this? Are there financial penalties incurred in exceeding the mileage? I assume these terms are set out in the lease agreements. To get a mileage increase does that require a unit overhaul?

 

[Razorblades]

In regards to running out of miles what is the impact of this? Are there financial penalties incurred in exceeding the mileage? I assume these terms are set out in the lease agreements. To get a mileage increase does that require a unit overhaul?

Basically, exams are due based on either mileages run or elapsed time, with modest agreed safety tolerances. Once this point is reached, the unit is not cleared to operate and has to have whatever exam it is due. These units will be typically running out of miles on safety critical and fairly expensive components such as wheelsets. You can't exceed the mileages per se, and financial penalties don't apply as such.

 

[Bessie]

Basically, exams are due based on either mileages run or elapsed time, with modest agreed safety tolerances. Once this point is reached, the unit is not cleared to operate and has to have whatever exam it is due. These units will be typically running out of miles on safety critical and fairly expensive components such as wheelsets. You can't exceed the mileages per se, and financial penalties don't apply as such.

Thank you. I should’ve realised safety was the key factor

 

[Goldfish62]

Worth adding that no Windsors are 707 at the moment.

It appears to have been 2 8-450, 2 8-455 and 1 10-458 for a long time, and the twelve 707s (five pairs out per day) have done four all day Shepperton diagrams, and one morning peak Shepperton diagram that then turns into a Weybridge diagram

Looking at RTT it you're indeed right. However it must have been a very recent thing as I saw a pair at Waterloo bound for Windsor a couple of weeks ago.

Sounds about right from what I can see

there will also be a 458 on the Kingston rounder and looks like most readings will be 458s. with the hounslow rounder peak time services out of use I'm assuming they're using the stock from those to cover the windsor and readings

Personally I'd have thought it was better to use the 450s thrown up by the reductions in Basingstoke and Alton services on the Reading line, releasing the 458s for suburban services where the capacity over the 455s is really needed.

 

[swr444]

Looking at RTT it you're indeed right. However it must have been a very recent thing as I saw a pair at Waterloo bound for Windsor a couple of weeks ago.


Personally I'd have thought it was better to use the 450s thrown up by the reductions in Basingstoke and Alton services on the Reading line, releasing the 458s for suburban services where the capacity over the 455s is really needed.

There was talk of 450s on the suburban side but it doesn’t seem to be the case, maybe if the timetable goes back to “normal” again that’s when we’ll see them

 

[TEW]

Looking at RTT it you're indeed right. However it must have been a very recent thing as I saw a pair at Waterloo bound for Windsor a couple of weeks ago.


Personally I'd have thought it was better to use the 450s thrown up by the reductions in Basingstoke and Alton services on the Reading line, releasing the 458s for suburban services where the capacity over the 455s is really needed.

The problem with using 458s vice 455s on Main Suburban services is that not all crews sign 458s so it would have to be quite carefully planned.

 

[Goldfish62]

The problem with using 458s vice 455s on Main Suburban services is that not all crews sign 458s so it would have to be quite carefully planned.

Ah, thanks for the explanation.

 

[444045]

U.455708 & U.455734 heading to Bournemouth Depot today from Strawberry Hill Depot on 5Z51,

Currently 22 late passing Southampton. Unsure whether they are for storage or work related.

 

[pompeyfan]

U.455708 & U.455734 heading to Bournemouth Depot today from Strawberry Hill Depot on 5Z51,

Currently 22 late passing Southampton. Unsure whether they are for storage or work related.

Routine C4 work I believe after the usual path 5B39 never ran. Running as 5Z5x usually indicates a VSTP move organised by SWR control from experience.

 

[3973EXL]

STP 17/01

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1031 Wimbledon Park C.S.D. to Long Marston

STP 18/01

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1126 Wimbledon Park C.S.D. to Long Marston

 

[WarrenTManager]

One has 126,000 to C4 and the other 450,000 to C4, so it won't be that. They do both need D8 exams, the largest non-works exam on level 1-4 maintenance on a 455.

Routine C4 work I believe after the usual path 5B39 never ran. Running as 5Z5x usually indicates a VSTP move organised by SWR control from experience.

STP 17/01

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1031 Wimbledon Park C.S.D. to Long Marston

STP 18/01

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1126 Wimbledon Park C.S.D. to Long Marston

17/01 should be 8507 assume 18/01 is 8517

 

[Pep and co]

STP 17/01

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1031 Wimbledon Park C.S.D. to Long Marston

STP 18/01

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1126 Wimbledon Park C.S.D. to Long Marston

Presumably the cancelled 458 drags from the other week?

 

[JonathanH]

Presumably the cancelled 458 drags from the other week?

Or 456s being taken away for store?

 

[Jim]

15/01

5725 456013 456021
2G12 0634 Guildford to Waterloo
2G13 0811 Waterloo to Chessington
2G18 0848 Chessington to Waterloo
2G19 0937 Waterloo to Guildford
2G32 1134 Guildford to Waterloo
2G33 1311 Waterloo to Chessington
2G38 1348 Chessington to Waterloo
2G39 1437 Waterloo to Guildford
2G52 1634 Guildford to Waterloo
2G53 1811 Waterloo to Chessington
2G58 1848 Chessington to Waterloo
2G59 1937 Waterloo to Guildford
2G72 2134 Guildford to Waterloo
ECS to Clapham Yard



5871 456009 456011
1D07 0639 Wimbledon to Dorking
1D14 0730 Dorking to Waterloo
2M15 0847 Waterloo to Chessington
2M22 0934 Chessington to Waterloo
1D21 1024 Waterloo to Dorking
1D30 1132 Dorking to Waterloo
2M31 1247 Waterloo to Chessington
2M38 1334 Chessington to Waterloo
1D37 1424 Waterloo to Dorking
1D46 1532 Dorking to Waterloo
2M47 1647 Waterloo to Chessington
2M54 1734 Chessington to waterloo
1D53 1824 Waterloo to Dorking
1D62 1932 Dorking to Waterloo
2M63 2047 Waterloo to Chessington
2M70 2134 Chessington to Waterloo
1D69 2224 Waterloo to Dorking
1D78 2332 Dorking to Waterloo
ECS to Wimbledon

 

[444045]

One has 126,000 to C4 and the other 450,000 to C4, so it won't be that. They do both need D8 exams, the largest non-works exam on level 1-4 maintenance on a 455.



17/01 should be 8507 assume 18/01 is 8517

Would the staff at Bournemouth Depot be able to take on these D8 exams both units need and if they could, have got all the necessary
spare parts to do the work ?

 

[boiledbeans2]

15/01
5725 456013 456021
2G12 0634 Guildford to Waterloo
2G13 0811 Waterloo to Chessington
2G18 0848 Chessington to Waterloo
2G19 0937 Waterloo to Guildford
2G32 1134 Guildford to Waterloo
2G33 1311 Waterloo to Chessington
2G38 1348 Chessington to Waterloo
2G39 1437 Waterloo to Guildford
2G52 1634 Guildford to Waterloo
2G53 1811 Waterloo to Chessington
2G58 1848 Chessington to Waterloo
2G59 1937 Waterloo to Guildford
2G72 2134 Guildford to Waterloo
ECS to Clapham Yard

Thanks, I'll probably attempt a last ride on them today (Saturday). I assume only 1 diagram today?
If it ends at Clapham, would it still be out on Sunday?

 

[Jim]

Thanks, I'll probably attempt a last ride on them today (Saturday). I assume only 1 diagram today?
If it ends at Clapham, would it still be out on Sunday?

Still a few more diagrams to be allocated yet so wouldn't like to say for sure.

Afraid my knowledge doesn't extend ahead to Sunday.

 

[Juniper Driver]

U.455708 & U.455734 heading to Bournemouth Depot today from Strawberry Hill Depot on 5Z51,

Currently 22 late passing Southampton. Unsure whether they are for storage or work related.

Saw them just past Hinton Admiral down road.
I was on 1141 from Poole.(1159 from Bmth - Waterloo) 444007+444010.

 

[thedbdiboy]

Here's 456009 this afternoon at Clapham Junction

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Here's 456009 this afternoon at Clapham Junction
View attachment 108836

Good god, I hope no one's reading this thread with limited mobile data You do know there's a thumbnail option, right?

I feel a little sad to see them go. I liked having the unrefurbished pairs in Southern livery as my local train on the Ascot Guildford route for a couple of years half a decade or so ago. I can't believe it was 2014!

 

[Juniper Driver]

Here's 456009 this afternoon at Clapham Junction

Nice pic thanks.

 

[Wyrleybart]

Would the staff at Bournemouth Depot be able to take on these D8 exams both units need and if they could, have got all the necessary
spare parts to do the work ?

Has BM staffing levels dropped since the end of the piggies ?

 

[Juniper Driver]

What work do they do to the 455's at Bournemouth depot?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Still a few more diagrams to be allocated yet so wouldn't like to say for sure.

Afraid my knowledge doesn't extend ahead to Sunday.

Doesn’t look like any are allocated so far.