Well, wait for some new trains to be built first to replace them. At least they are generally reliable.It's about time these scrap-heaps, that have no beneficial points, were sent to the scrap yard.
Well said. - Northern commuterIt's about time these scrap-heaps, that have no beneficial points, were sent to the scrap yard.
Well, wait for some new trains to be built first to replace them. At least they are generally reliable.
I'm guessing you suffer the Northern examples.It's about time these scrap-heaps, that have no beneficial points, were sent to the scrap yard.
Rugged and reliable. Are those not benefits?It's about time these scrap-heaps, that have no beneficial points, were sent to the scrap yard.
Actually they’re fine as long as you don’t have to get on them.They're fine so long as they're not crush loaded.
It is OK, in Wales we have a government who thinks IC225s are the future.It's funny that the Government in London is keen to replace the IC225's, but has no interest in getting rid of crap loçal trains.
I live on a line served solely by TfW 150s and they’re in a disgusting state despite the refurbishment, and I cannot wait to be rid.I'm guessing you suffer the Northern examples.
They do have many good points, especially compared to a 195. They are more reliable. They have some suspension. They are easy to fix 'at the roadside'. They have opening windows - and once you have suffered a 195 with failed Aircon, you will understand how important this can be.
They are noisy and grotty however.
Try the TFW examples, which have 2+2 seating, tables, are better maintained, quieter, and an all round nicer train.
And me.Give me a 142/144 over a 150 any day of the week.
I'd forgotten that they had a spell on Trans-Pennine fasts, if I'd been old enough to experience it frequently I'd have been rather unhappy to move from mk2s to that! Within a couple of years thankfully the 156s came in (which compared well with pressure-ventilated mk2s) and later the 158s (which were a real step up other than overcrowding due to the improved frequency, which drove an increase in ridership).The 150/2 initially replaced some of the corridor loco hauled carriages on the liverpoolManchester to Leeds Hull/York/Scarborough route so I expect we are just discussing the same discrepancies of lack of comfort that folks in the 1980's were upset about. Didn't they have to sit in 3 x2 seats? I can't really remember.
The 150/2 initially replaced some of the corridor loco hauled carriages on the liverpoolManchester to Leeds Hull/York/Scarborough route so I expect we are just discussing the same discrepancies of lack of comfort that folks in the 1980's were upset about. Didn't they have to sit in 3 x2 seats? I can't really remember.
If I remember correctly the /2s replaced our 156s at Norwich for awhile, and they felt a massive downgrade all those years ago. Were you a driver at that time, and if so, was there much difference from a drivers point of view?Yes, I remember going from Norwich to Leeds so I could have a go on them across the Pennines. 3+2 seating with those awful black backs making them feel rather oppressive. I liked them though as was always keen on modern stuff. They were just a stop gap really until the 158s arrived.
If I remember correctly the /2s replaced our 156s at Norwich for awhile, and they felt a massive downgrade all those years ago. Were you a driver at that time, and if so, was there much difference from a drivers point of view?
Couldn’t those weird diesel only flex units be used?They’re better than the alternative. Nothing as things stand. No available replacements. They serve a good purpose on many of the branch lines they can be found working
Living in Northern land this is the one train I avoid like the plague, it is purely down to the layout and legroom, they are mechanically sound I presume but awful to travel on. The trains you mention above were largely the early (non a/c) mk2s with 4 seats around a table and a wonderfully view. Talking of trains that are all over the place internally I give you the Flirt, had the misfortune to ride one last week with the bruise to show, sat in the raised seats for 4 and forgot about the step down , fell onto a raised armrest which went into my ribs, agony, along with the ridiculous coridoor these units are all over the place, no way would this got past a 1 off evaluation unit in BR days IMO. Sorry about going off piste.The 150/2 initially replaced some of the corridor loco hauled carriages on the liverpoolManchester to Leeds Hull/York/Scarborough route so I expect we are just discussing the same discrepancies of lack of comfort that folks in the 1980's were upset about. Didn't they have to sit in 3 x2 seats? I can't really remember.