Sam 76
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Still time to announce the end of May dates though or do they not do it like that ?The dates mentioned are the strike dates, no strikes on the bank holidays, just the usual disruption of engineering works taking place
Still time to announce the end of May dates though or do they not do it like that ?The dates mentioned are the strike dates, no strikes on the bank holidays, just the usual disruption of engineering works taking place
Still time to announce the end of May dates though or do they not do it like that ?
Won’t be that close together so you should be fineStill time to announce the end of May dates though or do they not do it like that ?
Fair enough, and rightly so too. I still stand by my thoughts then. It’s a shame but it must be done. Would rather miss a trip, than watch these amazing people loose their pay and conditionsYes just a fortnights notice required.
From what I understand from a friend, and what has been reported a number of time by those actually striking, they will just work a days overtime (outside of the overtime ban period) and earn more money for doing the same work. My mate definitely does not think he is losing, and he pretty much gets to choose which day he works as overtime.
Which companies does this not apply?Not every company, and not every train driver has the opportunity to work overtime.
From what I understand from a friend, and what has been reported a number of time by those actually striking, they will just work a days overtime (outside of the overtime ban period) and earn more money for doing the same work. My mate definitely does not think he is losing, and he pretty much gets to choose which day he works as overtime.
Fair enough, and rightly so too. I still stand by my thoughts then. It’s a shame but it must be done. Would rather miss a trip, than watch these amazing people loose their pay and conditions
Disbanding the RDG isn't a pre-requisite of negotiating TOC by TOC. That's a function of how the DfT are wishing to run the dispute. You need to worry more about the DfT and less about the RDG. They aren't guiltless for the handing of this but they're just dancing, sometimes badly, to tune that's called by the DfT.labour get in, RDG disbanded and aslef are able to negotiate on a TOC by TOC basis
I'm pleased that I was correct in my thinking the unions wouldn't strike during an election week.
Striking during an election week would backfire very badly for the unions although I'm sure most polling stations are near enough to where people live so you don't have to use public transport to vote.
M.S.L.s were in Boris’s 2019 election manifesto.Welcome to the Tory Party in its death throes. You don't honestly believe them when they promise the various things they have over the last twelve/eighteen months do you?
It was but I was more referring to the promises that it would actually solve anything that were given more recently.M.S.L.s were in Boris’s 2019 election manifesto.
Given the amount of ongoing disputes in the public sector, any instant resolution is going to be unlikely. An incoming Labour government is going to have a lot on its hands sorting out the economic situation as well as industrial action, and they will probably not be in a position to offer anything an ongoing no-strings deal without delving deep into the economic implications. At best they might instruct RDG to go back to unions to finalise any outstanding deals, with a view to opening new negotiations for 2025 onwards. But even then they will have to be careful, because whichever industrial action they try to settle first, will raise expectations for other unions in dispute, which could lead to more widespread action if they don't all perceive that they are getting similar or better deals.I wouldn't be surprised the week after Labour gets into Government or shortly afterwards that a no strings deal is settled.
If you think less than 1000 out of over 11000 is “most”, then yes, “most” were rehired.Well they might think Reagan was right, but it massively backfired on him. Took many years to get up to speed , over ten I believe and most of the fired air traffic controllers were re hired.
Fair enough, and rightly so too. I still stand by my thoughts then. It’s a shame but it must be done. Would rather miss a trip, than watch these amazing people loose their pay and conditions
In a similar position, with me i don't book anything outside of the 14 days notice they have to give. Prices go up in the mean time for advance fares but what it costs me in money it saves me with disappointment of plans going down the pan.I have a few London trips June and August when will they likely announce any possible strike days?
These things are not necessarily independent, even if surveys like that give the impression they are. Transport networks are the arteries of the economy, and poor transport infrastructure, be it creaking hardware that regularly falls over, or industrial action, stifles the utility of the railways and alongside that stifles economic growth. The UK economy is suffering with a significant contribution of that due to the poor productivity of its workforce, and workforce productivity is going to be hindered if people are struggling to get to work. Only 3% of people in the survey think transport is the most important issue facing the country (although they could think it is the second or third most important issue for all that graph tells us), but how many people have grasped the link between failing infrastructure and stifled economic performance? Immigration is only in there because the right wing media have programmed it into people to reduce the likelihood of them revolting against all the crapness seeping through the UK like a fart in a crowded lift, much of it caused by questionable government policies.Isn't there also an overtime ban?
I think we're at the point now where the current government would get no value from resolving this dispute - 3% of voters think transport is in their top 3.
"Which of the following do you think are the most important issues facing the country at this time? Please tick up to three"
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which also may show the likelihood of an incoming government saying "sure, here you go". Economy, health, immigration are the top 3, in the graph.
Whatever your stance on this I cant see this strike acheiving more than the last few have. The government are not bothered, they know they are replaced this year, and probably wisely Labour are keeping out of it, theres no gain for them in it currently.
Personally I think the drivers have a good case, but current tactics are not working
If you think less than 1000 out of over 11000 is “most”, then yes, “most” were rehired.
But there’s been little service interruption from strike action since. Short term pain for long term gain.
And there is a fair chance a new Government will have other initial priorities so could be few more months before they consider even a token movement. Could easily be summer 2025 before anything happens to stop these repetitive (and unsuccessful) strikesI think the (broader) impact of this is likely to be the same as all the other recent strikes over the past 12 months, which is fairly limited. I reckon it will keep rolling like this every month or so until the General Election, with little/no movement from either side.
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I work at the elections and can only get to my polling station by train. The bus doesn't run early enough. Whilst some staff will be near their polling station it won't be all and people can't vote without us.Striking during an election week would backfire very badly for the unions although I'm sure most polling stations are near enough to where people live so you don't have to use public transport to vote.
Are you including polling station staff in your calculation? A polling station can't open without us.I would imagine the number of people that need to take a train to get to a polling station is minuscule.
I think we're at the point now where the current government would get no value from resolving this dispute - 3% of voters think transport is in their top 3.