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Brighton and Hove Albion's executive director has written a letter to Chris Grayling

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http://www.seagulls.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/martin-perry-southern-3433099.aspx
Dear Secretary of State,

SOUTHERN TRAIN SERVICES – BRIGHTON & HOVE ALBION v ASTON VILLA – FRIDAY 18TH NOVEMBER 2016

Following the failure by your train operating company - Southern Trains - to provide adequate services for our match against Aston Villa last Friday 18th November, and the dangerous situation that occurred as a result, I feel compelled to write to you to seek your urgent intervention in the dispute between your train operating company and the RMT.

In short, when planning permission was granted for the American Express Community Stadium (The Amex) by the secretary of state for communities and local government in 2007, it was for two reasons – firstly, the social and economic benefits that the development would bring to the city of Brighton & Hove and the sub-region, but also because we were able to demonstrate to the satisfaction of the planning inspector that supporters attending matches and major events at the stadium would use sustainable modes of transport and substantially reduce reliance on the private car.

On the first of these targets, we continue to substantially exceed the original projections with the latest figures showing we contribute over £38 million gross value added (GVA) to the local economy and we have created in excess of 1,000 FTE jobs. Over 36,000 participants benefited last year from the programmes run by our charity Albion in the Community, targeted at beneficiaries who are disabled or come from disadvantaged backgrounds.

Similarly for the first five seasons since we opened the stadium in 2011, our transport strategy was very successful. Over 80% of supporters travelled to the stadium by sustainable means – using the train, bus, supporters’ coach, cycling or walking to matches or events at the stadium. This is the reverse of all other EFL clubs, where the average modes of transport total 20% by sustainable means and the remaining 80% get to their stadium using the private car.

This is by far the largest numbers using public transport travel by train. Last Friday, 10,431 people, which equates to 34.5% of the attendance at the match, attempted to travel to the stadium by train travelling from the north or west via Brighton, or from the east via Lewes.

Given the resounding success of the stadium and the transport strategy, this season, the ongoing problems with the supply of trains, which, from the numbers above are clearly critical to our transport strategy, is unforgivable.

Our supporters and those of visiting clubs have suffered for many months, culminating in Friday’s shocking events. Although until now we have not taken sides in the dispute by the RMT with Southern Trains or commented on the failure by your department to intervene in this dispute, we have stated publicly that the cost to us in additional costs and lost revenue runs to hundreds of thousands of pounds. And that is the effect on just one business in the area served by your train operator. The cumulative effect on businesses in the south caused by loss of business, the failure of staff to be able to get work and the damage to the local economy will be enormous.

But far worse, it has now got to a point where you are putting members of the public at risk of injury or even worse putting their lives at risk.

The events leading up to the chaos on Friday are as follows:

• On 3rd November Southern confirmed in writing they would be providing a full service for our match against Aston Villa on Friday 18th November kick-off 7.45 pm.

• We advised supporters and sold over 30,200 tickets including 3,200 to Aston Villa fans.

• During the morning of Friday we checked with Southern, who confirmed they would be providing a full matchday service.

• At 7.30pm, 15 minutes before kick-off, we were told that three services had been cancelled and there were still 800 supporters at Brighton Station. By using station managers as conductors, they managed to run one of these trains but the last supporters did not leave Brighton until 7.53pm arriving at the Amex at 8.05pm, 20 minutes after kick-off.

• During the match we enquired about services to get supporters home and at 8.47pm, we were told two of the services after the match were cancelled.

• At 9.32pm, five minutes before the end of the match, without any prior warning from Southern, the National Rail website showed that four of the services were cancelled.

• Some of our supporters had left before the end of the match knowing that the train services were chaotic, only to watch one of the services fail to stop at Falmer Station adjacent to the Amex, because it did not have a conductor.

• At 9.55pm, the station manager at Falmer advised us that the supporters travelling eastbound would have to wait an hour for the next train. By now there were long queues at the station waiting for trains.

• At 10.50pm, the National Rail website informed us that three further westbound trains were cancelled with long queues still at the station.

• It was not until 11.30pm, two hours after the match ended, that both east and westbound platforms were clear of supporters.

This catastrophic catalogue of failures caused great stress for many thousands of our fans and those of Aston Villa. More importantly, it endangered their safety many of whom attended the match with children, elderly or infirm relatives and friends. We have reports of supporters who were forced to walk home some of them walking along the A27, which is a main dual carriageway with no footpath. Some Aston Villa supporters who were very delayed in getting to Brighton missed their connections – some of which had been cancelled – slept rough in Brighton Station car park, and we have also had reports children crying with tiredness and cold. If it wasn’t for the swift action of our staff, the patient reaction of both Brighton and Aston Villa supporters, and the co-operation of the local bus company, the outcome could have been even worse.

Given these appalling events on Friday I and my board are astounded at the total lack of interest that you, your rail minister and your government are paying to this long running dispute.

We are aware that the form of contract you have entered into with Southern is a management contract. In effect you have employed a private subcontractor to run your trains for you. We have heard calls for the rail service to be re-nationalised but in this case it is being run by your government. You have not sold this train operating service to the private sector, you are simply employing a private company to operate it for you. You pay Southern a huge fee to run the service, they collect all of the revenue and pass it back to you. Southern have no ownership, they take no risk. If the service they provide is poor and customers resort to other modes of transport all that happens is the government or the tax payer loses revenue. Southern are not accountable – you are.

You cannot therefore abdicate your responsibility to ensure that your subcontractor provides a decent and professional service for your rail passengers. It is your responsibility as the client to ensure that your subcontractor is performing to the standards that are no doubt set out in the management contract. Even worse, if somebody is injured as a result of your failure to ensure that your subcontractor provides a proper service, you could be culpable.

And yet you appear to take no action or interest. You are prepared to let Southern and the RMT slug it out, in 1970s style industrial relations, allowing them to take all the blame when in practice it is you and your government who are accountable for the impact it has on rail passengers.

The tens of thousands of rail passengers and our supporters deserve answers to the following questions:

• Do you accept that under the management contract you are responsible for the performance of Southern?

• What action are you going to take to resolve this long-running dispute and end the suffering that has been caused to passengers and businesses all over the south east?

• What actions are you going to take to restore the confidence of your rail passengers who no longer trust this service and are now resorting to other means to get to work or their destinations?

• Do you accept that if you wish to encourage the travelling public to reduce their reliance on the private car you have to provide decent reliable public transport, otherwise these strategies will fail?

I regret having to write to you in these terms, but your rail passengers have suffered enough. They are at risk as a result of this dispute and your urgent intervention is required. We are writing to Southern and the RMT along with yourselves, and invite you all to a meeting which we will facilitate at the Amex, to see if we can help find ways in which you can move forward to end this dispute, end the suffering of rail passengers and stop the damage to the economy in the south.

If Southern and the RMT wish to take up our offer, we will be in touch with your office to arrange a date for the meeting.

This dispute has to be brought to an end. Rail passengers, including our supporters, have suffered enough and it is time to bring to a stop the huge costs and damage to the local economy that this dispute has caused. We need a service that we can trust.

In the meantime we await your response.

Martin Perry
Executive Director
Brighton & Hove Albion Football Club

Not my neck of the woods,so may I ask if there is an easy turn back facilities or loops for trains to turn back to Falmer?

If extra (dare I say football specials) trains COULD be provided would they have to run towards Lewes from Brighton

and then come back to Falmer.

Or maybe Falmer is a b-idirectional station in the Brighton direction from the up Platform.
 
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Best to look in the southern strike thread. Extra trains and longer trains should and have run on match days, generally between Brighton and Lewes.

However last Friday southern promised to do this and did not and Brighton and Hove didn't even get an apology and looking at the pictures they are seriously lucky that there were no problems.

But yes between Brighton and Lewes is normally the plan. Who knows when this will be restored though.
 

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I hope the RMT jump in with an immediate yes, I think we can be sure that if this meeting goes ahead that Martin Perry will ensure that what is said at any meeting will be reported. No hiding behind closed doors for either side.
 

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I hope the RMT jump in with an immediate yes, I think we can be sure that if this meeting goes ahead that Martin Perry will ensure that what is said at any meeting will be reported. No hiding behind closed doors for either side.
RMT accepted. GTR and DfT declined, cannot think why...
 

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They have three platforms facing in the Brighton direction at Lewes, which makes it the ideal place to turn back.
 

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With a pitiful 10mph speed limit into every platform,an operational handicap on longer extra trains. Retired railmen say it used to be 30 mph into two of the platforms in the seventies with 15 mph across the junction towards Eastbourne/Seaford when exiting the platforms.
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RMT accepted. GTR and DfT declined, cannot think why...

Because finally, & with much pain for everyone, Southern are on the verge of getting everything needed to bring trains operation into how all modern European railways have been operated since 1990.
 

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Last Friday my team played at Brighton and although I didn't go to the game myself a lot of people I know did. Apparently the whole thing was a massive shambles. There were still Villa fans at the ground trying to get back to Brighton over an hour and a half after the game had finished. Many gave up and walked back to Brighton. The situation at the station was unforgivable with crushes developing, lots of very angry people and lots of confusion as information was sketchy to say the least. Lots of Villa fans saying it was the worst they have ever known at any away game.
Suppose it was all those pesky guards fault though.
 

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Last Friday my team played at Brighton and although I didn't go to the game myself a lot of people I know did. Apparently the whole thing was a massive shambles. There were still Villa fans at the ground trying to get back to Brighton over an hour and a half after the game had finished. Many gave up and walked back to Brighton. The situation at the station was unforgivable with crushes developing, lots of very angry people and lots of confusion as information was sketchy to say the least. Lots of Villa fans saying it was the worst they have ever known at any away game.
Suppose it was all those pesky guards fault though.
It may of been the guards not turning up but doesn't explain why before and during the game GTR promised the enhanced time table when Brighton are playing at the AMEX.
 

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Martin Perry, club CEO, is a very active member of the Labour party. He announced he was going to stand as a Labour councillor in Brighton.
RMT is affiliated to Labour under Jeremy Corbin.

If Southern had been allowed to introduce normal modern working methods, all the fans would have been carried economically & efficiently in DOO class 377 trains. Incidentally under agreements since 1999, DOO is allowed in an emergency on the Haywards Heath Lewes Brighton diversionary route.
 
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Martin Perry, club CEO, is a very active member of the Labour party. He announced he was going to stand as a Labour councillor in Brighton.
RMT is affiliated to Labour under Jeremy Corbin.
And that is why GTR decided not to run extra trains and keep this quiet from the football club?

He has kept quiet since April and there has been strikes on match days before this.
 

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They have three platforms facing in the Brighton direction at Lewes, which makes it the ideal place to turn back.

Only 2 can you actually access Brighton from. P4/5. If you terminated a train at Platform 3 but it requires shunting to get it back to P4/5 to make a Brighton Service. This also blocks Coastway East services out of lewes whilst this takes place.
 

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Martin Perry, club CEO, is a very active member of the Labour party. He announced he was going to stand as a Labour councillor in Brighton.
RMT is affiliated to Labour under Jeremy Corbin.

Know your history, RMT is not and I repeat NOT affiliated to the Labour Party. Your so clever you cant even spell 'CORBYN's name right.

Not that you bother to check FACTS. However id better be careful as I am under moderation for calling you out before so I will leave it there!
 
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Unfortunately simply solving the RMT dispute won't improve things much. It will just be one thing less for Southern to blame diverting attention from their own shortcomings. There is still the continuing shortage of traincrew, both drivers and conductors. And the new timetable introduced last December, said to be more 'robust' and aid service recovery doesn't appear to have delivered.

On a separate note you cannot access platform 4 at Lewes from the Brighton direction. As another post above rightly says any terminations in platform 3 require a shunt if needing to return to Brighton. Platform 5 is the only true 'turnback' platform and this is limited to 6 car trains only. That's why there are pairs of 3-377 units diagrammed for the Saturday additional shuttles. The Brighton to Seaford services were strengthened to 8-377 on Saturdays to increase capacity. This is why the platform at Seaford was tidied up to allow 8 car trains. These trains have to run at reduced power between Newhaven Harbour and Seaford to avoid tripping the limited power available on that section.
It was always a major challenge to increase/strengthen services on weekdays as there simply wasn't any spare stock sitting around at the end of evening peak.

As an aside there were a number of cancellations on Brighton to Seaford/Eastbourne services yesterday evening due to 'crew' shortage and also stock problems. And NOT an RMT strike day.
 
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.As an aside there were a number of cancellations on Brighton to Seaford/Eastbourne services yesterday evening due to 'crew' shortage and also stock problems. And NOT an RMT strike day.

Yes, Yes we know that, but why let facts get in the way of bashing the Guards and the RMT.

After all its there fault that ALL the problems on Southern are down to the ENTRYIST RMT (sic) and there bloody Guards! The sooner we get rid of them the better!
 

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Martin Perry, club CEO, is a very active member of the Labour party. He announced he was going to stand as a Labour councillor in Brighton.
RMT is affiliated to Labour under Jeremy Corbin.

If Southern had been allowed to introduce normal modern working methods, all the fans would have been carried economically & efficiently in DOO class 377 trains. Incidentally under agreements since 1999, DOO is allowed in an emergency on the Haywards Heath Lewes Brighton diversionary route.
This comes across as utterly wild paranoid drivel. Mr. Perry's political affiliations or aspirations are completely irrelevant here, and even if this was in some way a conspiracy to fuel his political ambitions, it doesn't render GTR's incompetent failings in this situation void.
 

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The Southern east coastway is rediculous. The consist formations should be 12 car 377s if available, especially during match day. It would help clear the platforms and queues faster. I have been to a number of matches at the AMEX and your queuing longer than the duration of the game unless you get out before it ends!
The platforms at Falmer can hold just over 8 car 377 so with selective door opening it shouldnt be a problem. Southern need to clear their act up.
Units turn back at Lewes, a 5 minute drive from Falmer with around 75mph.
 

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The Southern east coastway is rediculous. The consist formations should be 12 car 377s if available, especially during match day. It would help clear the platforms and queues faster. I have been to a number of matches at the AMEX and your queuing longer than the duration of the game unless you get out before it ends!
The platforms at Falmer can hold just over 8 car 377 so with selective door opening it shouldnt be a problem. Southern need to clear their act up.
Units turn back at Lewes, a 5 minute drive from Falmer with around 75mph.

How much did the club pay for upgrading the rail infrastructure and services when they moved to the new station as part of S105 payments:lol::lol::lol:

For evening matches the marginal extra stock requirement will be very expensive as mentioned by others above.
 

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With a pitiful 10mph speed limit into every platform,an operational handicap on longer extra trains. Retired railmen say it used to be 30 mph into two of the platforms in the seventies with 15 mph across the junction towards Eastbourne/Seaford when exiting the platforms.
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Because finally, & with much pain for everyone, Southern are on the verge of getting everything needed to bring trains operation into how all modern European railways have been operated since 1990.
Well did they tell the chief executive that when declining?

Perhaps they would like to make their response public or may be Brighton and Hove can.

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How much did the club pay for upgrading the rail infrastructure and services when they moved to the new station as part of S105 payments:lol::lol::lol:

For evening matches the marginal extra stock requirement will be very expensive as mentioned by others above.

Yes its far from perfect but a hec of a lot better than the non existent rail service London Midland provides for Coventry City fans :D
 
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