D6130
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Don't think the 195s and 331s have removeable stepboards....open to correction though, as always.
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Derailment near Grange Over Sands
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Looking at that on Streetview, it's narrower than I remembered it. Might need to close sections of the road to traffic in the opposite direction while it passes?
CarrotPie
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All stepboards are removable: you just need a saw.
randyrippley
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Difficult to think of anywhere that's got suitable access in Ulverston
D6130
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Presumably the former goods yard/oil terminal alongside the station on the Up side....although, IIRC, it's now partially occupied by a builders' merchant in the old goods shed. Road access should still be possible though.
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Think they are bolted and torqued down I remember when 195 testing started in 2018 with 195103 and 195105 they didn’t have them on then and they were out measuring the gaps especially carnforth
Pinus contorta
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Off thread now. I heard that a tank on a low loader , that was going up to Eskmeals, ended up being driven off the back , when the low loader got stuck on a bend or a bridge somewhere. I don't know if it's true or not.Perhaps it was tilted round the bends?
strawberryline
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Is there an ongoing investigation by RAIB? I can't find it at
swt_passenger
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It can often take weeks or months until their website list of current investigations gets updated. There‘s sometimes an early press release, but not always. I wouldn’t worry about it yet.Is there an ongoing investigation by RAIB? I can't find it at
As a recent example, the Walton on Thames 450 derailment happened on 4 March, but the investigation announcement was dated 19th March.
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Killingworth
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Presumably the damaged 195s will have an impact on serviceable unit availability for some time. The second unit may have suffered minimal damage?
strawberryline
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They must be reading this thread. It's just been posted!
Derailment of a passenger train at Grange-over-Sands
Investigation into the derailment of a passenger train at Grange-over-Sands, Cumbria, 22 March 2024.
Well there's certainly someone on here who works for them so you never knowThey must be reading this thread. It's just been posted!
Derailment of a passenger train at Grange-over-Sands
Investigation into the derailment of a passenger train at Grange-over-Sands, Cumbria, 22 March 2024.www.gov.uk
AndrewRL
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Another CAF set waiting at Grange station. The chap in the pic wasn't very forthcoming, but confirmed he had come on the "wrong" line from Ulverston (nearest crossover in that direction) and the plan was to pull the damaged train away. But there's a problem:
Front bogey of the third carriage is jacked up & engineers in attendance
I'm guessing (but no more than that) that the bogie is too damaged to run to Ulverston and skids will be attached. Anyone know any more?
D6130
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Looks from the last photo as though the wheel skate is already in position and the bogie is being lowered onto it by the hydraulic jacks.
AndrewRL
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Must be some complication. The pic was taken at 15:20 and the train's still there.
Sorry, 14:20 - my camera's still on BST!
Is there an ongoing investigation by RAIB? I can't find it at
In due course it will be interesting to learn from the RAIB report the part played by the Govt. Dept of the Environment off shoot Natural England and apportionment of their responsibility for the altered management of the land drainage in the area.
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I note that the flask from Heysham has today been diverted to Kingmoor: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:60318/2024-03-28/detailed
I suggest not putting it right now as it'll be BST again in less than two days!
norbitonflyer
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I'm surprised the second unit can be towed - whether coupled to the first oine or otherwise. From the photos and video, the misalignment between the third and fourth carriages (the two driving ends of the units) suggests damage to the couplings between them, and possibly other damage to the cab fronts.
(it looks like the rear of the third carriage was derailed to the right, but the fourth stayed on the rails)
Mike Redding
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I believe one has made it to at least Workington before now, possibly even Maryport? As far as I'm aware it's Bullgill near Aspatria that's the problem? Probably more issues further up too.
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So we have these two derailed units "wrong side" of the hole, but how many more are trapped? Will they need trucking out as well? I guess it depends on how long the track will take to be fixed
Killingworth
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The hole is very deep on one track. How badly damaged is the other? Could it support a very slow movement across it, possibly with some additional support?
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According to a local Facebook group there are 4 195s stuck at Barrow carriage sidings, in addition to the 2 involved in the incident.
randyrippley
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So 10% of the fleet out of service
Big hole
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There’s probably a saving of 2-4 units not running to Barrow, I’d imagine.
But still a pretty big hole.
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Bits of short forming elsewhere as a result. 2 cars running in Blackpool York today as an example.
As 1D53 says Manchester/Calder Valley (at least from my observations) isnt affected too much. All the units that are up there were on Barrow work and as those trains are not running for obvious reasons the issues are less. You can turn around the remaining units with hours to spare at Preston. Northern still have enough capacity to have units sat at Preston, Springs Branch and Leeds for example although these are legacy units
Green tractor
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The hole extends slightly under the other track. I wouldn't walk over it, never mind drive a train.
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