DLR B23 Stock (CAF Inneo)

[61653 HTAFC]

I guess they preferred the black and red livery too

Could have at least done a Dutch style Fyra protest... "We want our two front seats back!"

 

[Taunton]

Apparently took place when the security staff were on strike

Docklands Light Railway workers working for ISS will strike from Friday (February 23), the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers (RMT) has confirmed. Contracted out ISS staff working on the DLR, including cleaners, security, revenue protection and travel safe staff will strike for 48 hours from Friday

DLR staff to stage last-minute 48 hour strike after 'insulting' pay offer

Staff will strike for 48 hours from Friday, the RMT union has confirmed

www.mylondon.news

Although it is not clear when the vandalism exactly took place, ISS security and cleaning staff who are contracted to work on the DLR, including at Beckton Depot were on strike for 48 hours this weekend,

First brand new £8million DLR train trashed in London before leaving depot

EXCLUSIVE: Not a single passenger has even been able to ride the new train yet, but it has already been entirely tagged with graffiti

www.mylondon.news

 

[Snow1964]

A friend has told me train 203 (third one) started to arrive at Beckton yesterday.

 

[TheManWho]

A friend has told me train 203 (third one) started to arrive at Beckton yesterday.

Half of 203 arrived yesterday. This is the second one to be delivered

 

[Snow1964]

The TfL Board budget 2023-24 has a specific month (March 2024) for first unit to enter public service.
Think this is first time I have seen a specific month mentioned (page 11) rather than vague season or year

https://board.tfl.gov.uk/documents/s19826/TfL%20Budget%202023-24.pdf

 

[Jammy Dodger]

Based on what was mentioned in Geoff Marshall's video of the first unit (201 I think), it was stated testing would be commencing "as soon as the second unit arrives". Are there any updates on this, and how it's going?

 

[fgwrich]

Based on what was mentioned in Geoff Marshall's video of the first unit (201 I think), it was stated testing would be commencing "as soon as the second unit arrives". Are there any updates on this, and how it's going?

I have to admit, I’m rather surprised no-one has picked up on this. First unit out on test today during an engineering block;

https://twitter.com/todaysrailways/status/1642223536562487300?s=46&t=Uj1PminkMk5uLaRpDQX48Q

 

[Jammy Dodger]

I have to admit, I’m rather surprised no-one has picked up on this. First unit out on test today during an engineering block;

https://twitter.com/todaysrailways/status/1642223536562487300?s=46&t=Uj1PminkMk5uLaRpDQX48Q

Thanks, that's great to see!

Makes sense using the Stratford Intl branch for testing, given that's where they will be rolled out first.

 

[Thirteen]

The B23 stock really stands out in a good way, I suspect we'll see the B07s get new livery and new seats around the time the B23s are rolled out.

 

[TheManWho]

The B23 stock really stands out in a good way, I suspect we'll see the B07s get new livery and new seats around the time the B23s are rolled out.

201 was next to a B92 and B2007 at Beckton depot last week, the white and teal livery really stands out next to them

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I have to admit, I’m rather surprised no-one has picked up on this. First unit out on test today during an engineering block;

https://twitter.com/todaysrailways/status/1642223536562487300?s=46&t=Uj1PminkMk5uLaRpDQX48Q

I think they look far better now they're on the rails. I thought they looked very bizarre initially but now I like them.

 

[Thirteen]

I've seen a video of the B23 and have to say it looks good in motion and fits the surroundings.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I've seen a video of the B23 and have to say it looks good in motion and fits the surroundings.

Loud things compared to their predecessors.

 

[fgwrich]

Possibly the first video uploaded to Youtube?

 

[Techniquest]

They do look funky! Did anyone else see the sticker saying the train's not ready yet and immediately think of the old Grolsch ad? 'Stop! It's not ready yet!'

 

[stuu]

Loud things compared to their predecessors.

Hard to tell that from a video, especially if it was filmed on a phone

 

[LLivery]

It'll feel as much like a Light Rail as Line 14 of the Parisian Metro. Very much looking forward to trying them!

 

[Fazaar1889]

Brand new DLR CAF Inneo trains on test runs, seen from the Jubilee line.​

 

[Snow1964]

Small update in the latest TfL Board committee papers ahead of next weeks meeting (see page 2 of report).

Seems of the 54 new trains, now designated as 33 to replace existing, and 21 for service enhancements

Thirty-three of the new trains will replace some of the oldest rolling stock, which are more than 30 years old and coming to end of their design life

some of the oldest rolling stock ?
does that mean some are staying

https://board.tfl.gov.uk/documents/s19983/pic-20230517-item6-part1-Investment-Programme%20-%20Report-Quater4%20-%20Update.pdf

 

[TheManWho]

Small update in the latest TfL Board committee papers ahead of next weeks meeting (see page 2 of report).

Seems of the 54 new trains, now designated as 33 to replace existing, and 21 for service enhancements

some of the oldest rolling stock ?
does that mean some are staying

https://board.tfl.gov.uk/documents/s19983/pic-20230517-item6-part1-Investment-Programme%20-%20Report-Quater4%20-%20Update.pdf

The B2007 fleet is not being replaced. Only the B92 fleet (vehicles 22-99 and 01-16)

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Hard to tell that from a video, especially if it was filmed on a phone

Maybe hard for you, but I'm perfectly capable of hearing the sounds its making, thanks, and that compared with B07 is definitely loud motors.

 

[MCR247]

Maybe hard for you, but I'm perfectly capable of hearing the sounds its making, thanks, and that compared with B07 is definitely loud motors.

I think he might be referring to the fact that phone camera mics can sometimes make motors sound louder than they are in person.

I remember it being a topic when videos first appeared of the 484s(?) moving and the new motors sounded really loud but people that had seen them in person said they weren’t as loud as expected

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I think he might be referring to the fact that phone camera mics can sometimes make motors sound louder than they are in person.

I remember it being a topic when videos first appeared of the 484s(?) moving and the new motors sounded really loud but people that had seen them in person said they weren’t as loud as expected

Sure, but the point is I can hear a motor, and it’s more of an almost silent whirring acceleration on a B07, on both camera and in person.

 

[stuu]

Maybe hard for you, but I'm perfectly capable of hearing the sounds its making, thanks, and that compared with B07 is definitely loud motors.

Unless you have a video of a B07 filmed with the same equipment on the same day, you cannot possibly judge how loud they are. Phones have software designed to enhance sound, to make voices clearer. You also don't know if the person who made the video deliberately enhanced the sound. I do a lot of video editing for my job, I do have some idea what I'm talking about

 

[TheManWho]

Maybe hard for you, but I'm perfectly capable of hearing the sounds its making, thanks, and that compared with B07 is definitely loud motors.

They are louder than the B92s and B2007s

Unless you have a video of a B07 filmed with the same equipment on the same day, you cannot possibly judge how loud they are. Phones have software designed to enhance sound, to make voices clearer. You also don't know if the person who made the video deliberately enhanced the sound. I do a lot of video editing for my job, I do have some idea what I'm talking about

Having stood next to the B23 moving around the depot, the motors are louder than the B92 and B2007 fleet.

 

[DanNCL]

Sure, but the point is I can hear a motor, and it’s more of an almost silent whirring acceleration on a B07, on both camera and in person.

Unless you have a video of a B07 filmed with the same equipment on the same day, you cannot possibly judge how loud they are. Phones have software designed to enhance sound, to make voices clearer. You also don't know if the person who made the video deliberately enhanced the sound. I do a lot of video editing for my job, I do have some idea what I'm talking about

To be fair the B07s are very quiet, it wouldn’t be surprising if the B23s were louder. A better comparison would be the B90s.

The 555s on the Tyne & Wear Metro have a similar (but not identical) traction package from the same manufacturer, Traktionssystemme Austria, and sound a lot quieter than what the video of the B23 does, which to me suggests the video is probably making the B23 sound louder than it really is, either through the camera or through post recording enhancement.

 

[JaJaWa]

Friday 30 Jun 2023

Order placed for additional 11 new state-of-the-art DLR trains​

PN-073

• The new trains will feature a walk-through design, latest audio and visual real time travel information, air conditioning and mobile device charge points 
• From 2024 customers will start to benefit from the new trains
• Funded by the Government’s Housing Infrastructure Fund, the new trains will support the development of thousands of new homes and jobs

An option to purchase 11 additional state-of-the-art DLR trains, funded by the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities (DLUHC), has now been exercised by Transport for London (TfL). This will mean a total of 54 new trains will be introduced from 2024, promising customers more frequent, reliable and comfortable journeys.
The new DLR trains have been funded by the Government’s Housing Infrastructure Fund, which was originally agreed in 2019. They will be used to further increase capacity and help unlock 10,000 new homes across the network, particularly in the Royal Docks and on the Isle of Dogs. The DLR was designed to support and create growth in the areas it serves, with these additional trains doing just that by allowing more reliable, comfortable and frequent services to Lewisham, Woolwich Arsenal and Stratford for both new and existing residents.
The new trains are being designed and built by Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles, S.A (CAF). TfL previously awarded a contract in 2019 to CAF for 43 trains following a comprehensive procurement process that focused on deliverability, technical expertise and value for money.
The first two new DLR trains, which feature a walk-through design, latest audio and visual real time travel information, air conditioning and mobile device charge points, have been delivered and are going through extensive testing ahead of introduction from 2024. This vital testing will ensure the trains are reliable and offer customers the best possible service.
Testing is currently taking place in overnight engineering hours and during some planned closures but later this year customers will see test trains running during the day in gaps between normal services. The new trains will be easy to spot as they feature a specially designed train wrap to help prevent confusion should a test train need to stop at station.
All 54 new trains will be introduced by the end of 2026 and will help boost overall capacity on the network by more than 60 per cent. Each train will feature 10 per cent more capacity and also provide better facilities for those with mobility impairments with three multi-use areas in addition to three dedicated wheelchair spaces. These multi-use areas can also be used to accommodate pushchairs, bicycles and luggage.

Seb Dance, Deputy Mayor for Transport, said: “More than 90 million journeys made each year the DLR is the busiest light railway in the UK and these new DLR trains will provide Londoners with more frequent, reliable and comfortable journeys from 2024. Each train will feature 10 per cent more capacity and also provide better facilities for those with mobility impairments. The DLR is a vital transport option for east London and the Docklands area and these upgrades will support new jobs and homes in the area, helping to make London a greener, fairer and more prosperous city for all.”
Tom Page, TfL’s General Manager for the DLR, said: “These new DLR trains will transform the journeys of millions of existing customers but will also give us the opportunity to welcome many more as new jobs and homes are created in east London and the Docklands area. Testing is progressing well ahead of the trains being introduced from 2024 and I really look forward to welcoming this new fleet to help contribute to the DLR’s continuing success.”
Lutfur Rahman, The Mayor of Tower Hamlets, said: “Tower Hamlets is home to a rapidly growing population, and these improvements to the DLR network will vastly improve accessibility for all, making it easier for residents and visitors to travel around our borough.
“Our borough will greatly benefit from the new DLR trains, particularly with the new homes undergoing construction on the Royal Docks and the Isle of Dogs. Accessible, efficient, and dependable public transport is crucial to ensuring safer and greener journeys for all residents.”
Richard Garner, CAF UK Director, said “CAF is absolutely thrilled to be supplying 11 additional trains to DLR to supplement the original order of 43 trains and play our part in the growth and accessibility of London”

With more than 90 million journeys made each year, the DLR is the busiest light railway in the UK. The new trains will provide more frequent direct services to the growing employment centre and cultural hub at Stratford, allowing people from across southeast London to reach new jobs in east London without the need to travel through Zone 1. It also serves Canary Wharf, a vitally important centre for the financial and professional service industries, where it links with the Tube network and the new Elizabeth line, which has seen more than 155 million journeys since opening.
The DLR operates across six Opportunity Areas in London, which have the potential to provide more than 124,000 homes and 200,000 jobs. There are already a number of these homes either already under construction or with planning permission within walking distance of the DLR. The additional capacity the trains will deliver is essential to support further sustainable growth beyond that already permitted, particularly in parts of the Royal Docks and the Isle of Dogs where the DLR is such a vital transport option.
A plan to deliver new transport links, homes and regeneration in Thamesmead and Beckton Riverside has also moved a step closer with TfL and its partners submitting a Strategic Outline Case to Government. The business case outlines how an extension of the DLR could have a transformative effect on the area. Should this be approved, it would require additional DLR trains to support the expansion of the network.
The modernisation of the DLR is a key part of the Mayor's Transport Strategy to make London a greener, more accessible place to live, work and visit as well as supporting new jobs and homes. The investment in improving public transport will help reduce reliance on the car and contribute to the Mayor's target of 80 per cent of journeys made by public transport, cycling or walking by 2041 and make TfL the green heartbeat of London.
TfL is investing in other parts of its infrastructure to keep them safe, clean and reliable to encourage even more customers back to the network as the city continues to recover. In addition to new DLR trains, TfL is replacing the ageing Piccadilly line fleet with new trains that are creating jobs in Goole, Yorkshire. The Four Lines Modernisation programme is delivering more frequent, reliable and faster journeys to the Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan lines.

Contact Information​

TfL Press Office
Transport for London
0343 222 4141
[email protected]

Notes to editors​

• The initial contract for 43 trains increased capacity by 30 per cent with additional trains boosting this further to more than 60 per cent
• A video of the new trains is available from CAF here.
• The DLR is entirely step-free and currently has 45 stations and 38km of track
• The Housing Infrastructure Fund (HIF) provides Forward Funding capital grants for strategic and high-impact infrastructure projects, which enable the delivery of additional homes. The DLR HIF growth capacity project includes 11 additional trains, land and additional stabling at Beckton depot which will support the delivery of over 10,000 homes both directly by GLA/TfL and indirectly by developers
• B2007 trains that were introduced in 2007 will remain in service
• Press release about the proposed DLR extension to Thamesmead can be found here

Source: https://tfl-newsroom.prgloo.com/news/order-placed-for-additional-11-new-state-of-the-art-dlr-trains

 

[Snow1964]

A consultation has been launched regarding RVAR disability exceptions, some for couple of years, others for longer, and some virtually indefinite (until 2060) exceptions on both the new trains and existing fleet.

Seems to relate to gaps between platform and train being over 75mm (which requires ramps) and lack of door closure warning sounds for at least 3 seconds

On 2007 vehicles, also insufficient width to wheelchair spaces, handrails not compliant, too small destinations, door edge lighting deficiencies.

Also has been revealed in the document that intention is to refurbish all the 2007 trains by 2027

RVAR 2010 – application for accessibility standards exemption received from Docklands Light Railway (DLR)

www.gov.uk

 

[Thirteen]

A consultation has been launched regarding RVAR disability exceptions, some for couple of years, others for longer, and some virtually indefinite (until 2060) exceptions on both the new trains and existing fleet.

Seems to relate to gaps between platform and train being over 75mm (which requires ramps) and lack of door closure warning sounds for at least 3 seconds

On 2007 vehicles, also insufficient width to wheelchair spaces, handrails not compliant, too small destinations, door edge lighting deficiencies.

Also has been revealed in the document that intention is to refurbish all the 2007 trains by 2027

RVAR 2010 – application for accessibility standards exemption received from Docklands Light Railway (DLR)

www.gov.uk

The B2007s being refurbished by 2027 make sense since they'll be introducing the B23's from 2024 to 2026 so we'll likely have a few years where the current livery is alongside the new livery.

 

[swt_passenger]

A consultation has been launched regarding RVAR disability exceptions, some for couple of years, others for longer, and some virtually indefinite (until 2060) exceptions on both the new trains and existing fleet.

RVAR 2010 – application for accessibility standards exemption received from Docklands Light Railway (DLR)

www.gov.uk

Does that DfT document have an error where it states the B2K sub class entered service in 2011?