Yesterday I drove Reading to Skipton in my Zoe.
Just the same as petrol cars, lots and lots factors affect fuel usage. It's just you notice more with EVs. But driving style, traffic conditions, amount of electrical equipment running, weather and temperature
You really don't have a clue do you? Did you get your "facts" from the daily mail by any chance. Saying dealer's can't shift EVs is just utter nonsense, there are huge waiting lists, it's simply not possible to buy one as demand is far outstripping supply. But don't let the truth stand in the way of your argument.
No, family and friends know a few car dealers, and the market does not want them. Remeber all the pro-diesel propaganda until we discovered they were dirtier than petrol. I'm always skeptical of these fleeting trends because before you know it, they're out. And why is this thread obsesed with the Nissan Leaf? For one reason or another most people will not want one or it won't be right for them.
Remember when diesel was the future? Remember when card payments were the future? Much of Europe is cash only. Progression is relative, what you see as progress is not progress to another customer.
) are so besotted with them that they overlook some still quite big downsides. The poor availability and high cost of public charging being the main one - that really needs fixing on both counts - both in terms of putting subsidy (whack it on fuel tax to fund it, as it's one off capital spending) into creating those charging opportunities and some sort of price fixing far below what they typically are now, just as we have for domestic gas and electricity.
Sure, for the right price they will sell a lot more, but infrastructure is still lacking not in the UK as much as in parts of Europe and the US though.
First things first, I love EVangelists!It is true that EVs are being heavily discounted to sell them - but that's just because they were so outrageously priced in the first place. Ten grand extra on an average hatchback isn't justified or acceptable. The manufacturers are now realising that (they'll need to cost the same as petrol on a per-month PCP) and prices are coming down.
The Leaf is a small-medium hatch, but its poor range particularly as it ages (given the lack of active battery management on older models) turns it into one - it's what you buy instead of a used Corsa as a second urban runaround car.
There's an element of that, but it's also true that a lot of EVangelists (I just made up a term I think
I'm considering one but I'm pretty sure it's going to be one more petrol first. I do a lot of long journeys to places where there's just no charging at all (for outdoor activity type stuff) and so it would really be faff.
It's odd because every dealer I've been to says there is at least a 12 month wait on EVs as demand is far outstripping supply. But maybe some dealers weren't selling as well and have got some left over. But if you name the dealers with excess stock I'll be able to get them shifted before the end of the week for you.
Norton Canes is hideously under-provided for. But in the same way people drive off the motorway to buy petrol, so they do to charge. There are many chargers at pubs by motorway exits! But Exeter services are a victim of their own success.Infrastructure is massively lacking in the UK. If it's worse in other countries, then that's even worse!
To cope with 100% EV adoption we will need maybe 30-50% charger coverage of parking spaces at motorway services, for instance (not everyone will charge, but somewhere like Norton Canes a very large number will), and probably 100% at hotels and blocks of flats plus a load on street (e.g. lamp posts). And it'll need to be priced far more reasonably, too. Presently it's dirt cheap to charge at home if you have off road parking, but it's crushingly expensive to do so in many public places unless you have a Tesla.
That's because.....a lot of EVangelists (I just made up a term I think
I get that, and if I couldn't charge at home it would be vastly different. I've only once gone below 10% in mine and that was because I was heading home and knew I could charge there.
It's like groundhog day on here. This has probably come up 20 times in the last 100 pages.
Premier Inn do annoy me that they've gone done the rapid charger route. Whereas Travelodge have done the far more sensible overnight charges (even on motorway services)
It doesn't really make sense to me. The DC chargers are way more expensive and many would likely require a costly supply upgrade. And their margins on charging will be much better when people are charging off-peak.
It's more because manufacturers are being forced by government dictate to sell a certain percentage of electric vehicles within their overall sales figures on pain of being fined thousands of pounds for each non-electric sale if that % isn't reached. Sounds like the sort of thing the Chinese government might come up with!It is true that EVs are being heavily discounted to sell them - but that's just because they were so outrageously priced in the first place.
There's an element of that, but it's also true that a lot of EVangelists (I just made up a term I think
And, of course, Geniepoint never work!
This is all nonsense. I bought a used Tesla and do 1,000 miles a week in it. I did 30,000 miles last year, no maintenance other than tyres and washer fluid and it sailed through MOT. Cost me a total of about 4p per mile in electricity and tyres.
If you want to talk about lived experience. On a long journey I can drive for 4 or 5 hours before the car needs to charge, I'm well over due a stop by then (in fact I take a break before that point).
EVs may not currently work for everyone, such as yourself, and that will hopefully change over time as more public chargers pop up and the best solution for on-street EV charging emerges. That's different from being anti-EV, which are those who can't see it working for anyone, despite most Brits driving short distances and parking off the street.
Trying to talk about the human experience of EVs when several posters on here, like you, own one is definitely an interesting approach...
With the cost of motoring soaring including higher insurance for EVs I don't see myself owning one for many years. Plus you really need to own your own property to charge one or regularly drive to a place that has an available charger. There are high fees to charge at many stations and as demand increases the fees will only get higher.
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Charging points are rising and petrol stations closing. Fueling will become much more of an issue for ICE
They are, but not at a fast pace! But once new ICE cars are banned (whenever that may be!) petrol stations will start closing faster. It will get harder and harder to find petrol. But finding electric is easy
Well, the fuel and maintenance savings versus my old 208 banger cover the finance payments on the car, so I've plenty spare for the insurance.
Hybrids are rubbish and should be banned. There's maybe a case for PHEV, but the "mild hybrid" where all the energy is from petrol are no more efficient than a petrol car on a long run. Absolute waste of resources.
The mild-hybrids aren't much better than a regular petrol car. But full hybrids are undoubtably better, at low speeds they run on the electric motor and minimise the use of engine, so they're not running the engine and pumping out exhuast fumes while idling or in slow traffic and that alone makes them better the regular petrol cars, particularly in towns and cities. Plus they regenerate energy while braking. Granted all of the energy ultimately comes from petrol, but their fuel economy is generally quite a bit better than regular petrols, for anyone who can't charge at home and where public charging isn't viable a HEV is probably the best option at present.